Comments on: Don’t Hold Back, Ralph, Tell Us What You Really Think http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/05/26/dont-hold-back-ralph-tell-us-what-you-really-think/ The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. -- D.H. Lawrence Fri, 25 May 2012 12:39:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Should There Be a Gitmo? | Little Miss Attila http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/05/26/dont-hold-back-ralph-tell-us-what-you-really-think/comment-page-1/#comment-138829 Should There Be a Gitmo? | Little Miss Attila Fri, 29 May 2009 03:27:20 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=5912#comment-138829 [...] One argument against it. [...] [...] One argument against it. [...]

]]> By: Kay B. Day http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/05/26/dont-hold-back-ralph-tell-us-what-you-really-think/comment-page-1/#comment-138821 Kay B. Day Wed, 27 May 2009 01:31:28 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=5912#comment-138821 Gitmo was the Dem seizure of a national security crisis, with many "facts" fabricated (the placement of photos of Abu Ghraib with text/content about Gitmo) to suit the objectives of orgs like the Center for Constitutional Rights (as long as you're a suspected terrorist, your rights are their concern). No one mentioned Clinton's rendition approach. No one mentioned the real reason for memos and paper trails--an effort to attempt to actually protect the rights of those detainees. And the CCR held the Blind Sheikh's hand while their attorney smuggled his messages out to aid other terrorists. If the whole neo-liberal political posturing doesn't make you sick, nothing will. best, KayDay Gitmo was the Dem seizure of a national security crisis, with many “facts” fabricated (the placement of photos of Abu Ghraib with text/content about Gitmo) to suit the objectives of orgs like the Center for Constitutional Rights (as long as you’re a suspected terrorist, your rights are their concern).

No one mentioned Clinton’s rendition approach. No one mentioned the real reason for memos and paper trails—an effort to attempt to actually protect the rights of those detainees. And the CCR held the Blind Sheikh’s hand while their attorney smuggled his messages out to aid other terrorists.

If the whole neo-liberal political posturing doesn’t make you sick, nothing will.
best, KayDay

]]> By: Hrothgar http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/05/26/dont-hold-back-ralph-tell-us-what-you-really-think/comment-page-1/#comment-138820 Hrothgar Wed, 27 May 2009 00:00:33 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=5912#comment-138820 Note that one can reverse the order of events and it works for me (summary execution folllowed by a court martial). The point of the Geneva Conventions was to formalize the rules of war for conventional military units backed by nation states. It deliberately excluded free-lance terrorists and that ilk from any of its protections, specifically so that the legal morass we are now in would not come to pass. Looks like they under-estimated the lawyers! Note that one can reverse the order of events and it works for me (summary execution folllowed by a court martial). The point of the Geneva Conventions was to formalize the rules of war for conventional military units backed by nation states. It deliberately excluded free-lance terrorists and that ilk from any of its protections, specifically so that the legal morass we are now in would not come to pass. Looks like they under-estimated the lawyers!

]]> By: Jerry in Detroit http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/05/26/dont-hold-back-ralph-tell-us-what-you-really-think/comment-page-1/#comment-138817 Jerry in Detroit Tue, 26 May 2009 16:47:16 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=5912#comment-138817 Under the Geneva Convention, terrorists and guerillas are unauthorized combatants. As such, they are entitled to court martial and summary execution. Ralph is right. Most of the detainees in Guantanamo never should have left the country they were captured in. Under the Geneva Convention, terrorists and guerillas are unauthorized combatants. As such, they are entitled to court martial and summary execution. Ralph is right. Most of the detainees in Guantanamo never should have left the country they were captured in.

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