30 Jul 2009

Obama’s Full Birth Certificate

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The snowball of inquiry created by Lou Dobbs on July 15th asking questions on CNN is rolling faster down the hill and growing larger. Joined amusingly now by even Andrew Sullivan, who writes:

I want Obama to instruct the Hawaii officials to release the official original document they say they have in their hands. Why not?

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Update

Ho! Ho! Just watch Andrew crayfish, after the left turns on the email heat.

My goal here is transparency and avoiding double standards. I’m sorry I got lost a little in the weeds there. And I would think it’s clear enough I’m not part of the Birther crowd. I’m trying to defuse them. I’m done now.

Scuttle.

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But National Review says Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth is his real, full, complete, and entire birth certificate.

The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his “real” birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.

If one applies for a United States passport, the passport office will demand a birth certificate. It defines this as an official document bearing “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.” The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has produced—the document is formally known as a “certificate of live birth”—bears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate—which is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the “real” birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy.

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Mark Krikorian, however, offers an email rejoinder by Glynn Custred.

The question of Barack Obama’s birth certificate has provoked a surpisingly aggressive response from the White House and near hysteria from Obama supporters. If the question is so crazy, and especially since conservatives have joined the Obama supporters in their condemnation of those who asked them (Bill O’Reilly, Ann Coulter, the National Review), why all the fuss?

The question on which the “birthers” hinge their complaint is, is there a more specific document that the president is purposefully witholding from the public? No one seems willing or able to answer that question in a straight forward manner, thus fostering an atmosphere in which doubts linger and conspiracy theories thrive.

The real problem, however, is not the president’s place of birth (it is highly unlikely that he was born anywhere but where he claims) but the Nixonian secrecy with which he has chosen to surround himself. Has Obama released his transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard? (we know all about Bush’s mediocre grades at Yale). Has he given permission for his theses and publications to be released? If not, why not? Michelle got into hot water when her thesis was publicized. Maybe Barack learned a lesson from that episode. And why the secrecy about the grades of such a smart guy as Obama? Might they reveal some kind of favoritism along the way?

We do know that there are things Obama tried to hide, such as his association with Jeremiah Wright and Father Pfleger as well as William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. Do his records reveal other questionable associations or statements? Where is the transparency we expect of public officials? Why is Obama getting a pass when other presidents do not? And why the hysteria when the topic is brought up?

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Anent National Review’s position, I agree that the Certificate of Live Birth probably is the form used conventionally as proof of birth, but, come on, guys, do you really believe that the state of Hawaii does not bother to record the actual location of birth, typically the hospital? It is difficult to believe that a record more complete, at least in that respect, does not exist.

The real question is why has Barack Obama spent, as of last March more than $800,000 (by now, doubtless, a lot more), opposing all those court cases demanding he prove his citizenship by releasing a complete birth record?

If no such thing exists, it would be awfully silly to spend over a million dollars resisting proving its non-existence.

I agree that it seems implausible that Obama was born elsewhere than Hawaii. The only evidence for the alleged birth in Momabasa is the interview of Sara Obama, BO’s grandmother, by a clearly conniving Bible-thumper who is doing everything he can to get her to say she was present at Barack Obama’s birth at a hospital in Momabasa. She is elderly and at one point goes along and repeats the words he is putting in her moith, but another relative, a Mr. Ogombe immediately corrects her, and the “proof” dissipates. I listened to it, it was partially inaudible, and I wound up having no confidence in the reliability of anything anyone there was saying.

The Economist and liberal Alex Koppelman at Salon discuss the evidentiary problems with the Sara Obama interview.

But I do suspect there are other real, and politically embarrassing, personal details, like Barack Obama’s probable adoption by Lolo Soetero, his dual British citizenship (resulting from having a Kenyan father), the possibility that he may have owned and actually used a British passport to travel to countries banning US citizens, the question of whether he may have needed to take official steps to change his name from Barry Soetero to Barack Obama or to recover US citizenship after being adopted in Indonesia and never did, are all more likely to be the troubling issues requiring a coverup.

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Scott D

Have you considered the possibility that the President finds it politically advantageous to have conservatives portrayed as a bunch of conspiracy chasers?



pt

Genealogists usually obtain copies of original documents at the county courthouse (i.e. birth record books). Some certs. obtained from state and local offices are copies of the original or typed version. (I have received a copy of an original birth cert. with a recently dated seal.) Birth documents and/or copies are usually in medical records, schools, colleges, some loans, etc. Birth certs are used for passports and driver licenses. Obama has been overseas several times since infancy. There must be additional documents that proves or disproves the validity of this birth document.



Tracy

“The real question is why has Barack Obama spent, as of last March more than $800,000 (by now, doubtless, a lot more), opposing all those court cases demanding he prove his citizenship by releasing a complete birth record?

If no such thing exists, it would be awfully silly to spend over a million dollars resisting proving its non-existence.”

Actually, there is no choice BUT to respond, really. Otherwise the court will enter a default judgment in favor of the plaintiff. Can you imagine the speculation of the birthers if Obama failed to answer the suits and default judgments were issued? It would go like, “See?!!! He couldn’t even refute it!!”



Jack

The time lines, places, actions, motives, when analyzed, support, and are consistent with, what is the answer to the Obama birth puzzle:

Obama’s grandmother is his mother and his mother is his sister.

Think about it. Review all the facts and claims.



americangenie

When one considers the fact that in1961 the state of Hawaii’s laws allowed for multiple procedures to obtain a Certificate of Live Birth,(COLB) that only one of those procedures produced a document which actually proves Hawaiian birth beyond a shadow of a doubt, and that Obama adamantly refuses to release such a document, one can only logically conclude that something is amiss.

According to the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii, which was in effect in 1961, one could procure a Hawaiian COLB like the one Obama posted online by simply attesting that the child was born there, and there were 4 different kinds of COLB. The long form is the only one that contains the sworn statement of a physician and name of hospital.



Ernie

At last, a measured treatment of the controversy! That’s why we read Never Yet Melted. Contrast that with the smack-down Alinsky-like tenor of most of the replies.
Now, would you give us the same for Barry’s early association with the communist and pedophile Frank Marshall Davis?



JDZ

In the event you describe, Tracy, Obama hires an attorney, then presents clear evidence from the government of the state of Hawaii that no more complete birth records exist than certificates of live birth.

That has not happened.

Instead his attorneys have successfully challenged the standing of the plaintiffs to sue him.



Jane

You say: the question of whether he may have needed to take official steps to change his name from Barry Soetero to Barack Obama or to recover US citizenship after being adopted in Indonesia and never did, are all more likely to be the troubling issues requiring a coverup.

U.S. law does not allow a minor to renounce their citizenship, not does it recognize a renunciation of citizenship carried out by a parent or step-parent on a child’s behalf. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, you need to renounce it as an adult, serve in a foreign army or government as an adult, etc. So, if, as has been suggested, his stepfather adopted him and obtained Indonesian citizenship for him, this would have no impact on his US citizenship.



Mufaso

This birth certificate is fake because in 1961 when asked for race, the appropriate response would be “white”, not “caucasion”.



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