Comments on: SPCA Outrage in Philadelphia 10: Answering Pat Burns http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/ The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. -- D.H. Lawrence Fri, 25 May 2012 12:39:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Terrierman Uncensored http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-168130 Terrierman Uncensored Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:15:57 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-168130 Terrierman certainly does moderate and ridicule his commenters. I have had first hand experience with it myself. He has a convenient memory. The blog Terrierman Uncensored was created for a reason - see http://terriermanuncensored.blogspot.com/ Terrierman certainly does moderate and ridicule his commenters. I have had first hand experience with it myself. He has a convenient memory. The blog Terrierman Uncensored was created for a reason – see http://terriermanuncensored.blogspot.com/

]]> By: george baumann http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-152316 george baumann Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:19:24 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-152316 Ah, the obnoxious troglodyte...er, I mean terrierguy...whose latest blog entries are irrational rants about WHY pit bulls are being killed in droves in shelters. The nut case believes this is simply because, well, they exist. That's right! All would be well if we just neutered neutered neutered them out of existence. It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that shelters routinely kill anything bull terrier looking at the first opportunity? Or have policies against adopting them out? Or, like Denver, have laws against the ownership of pit bulls? Yeah, it must be all the terrible breeders and owners fault. And his solution is anti-bully laws and breed-specific laws. After all these dogs are different from other dogs. They are vicious. And there wouldn't be enought homes anyway, what with all that overpopulation of dogs we have and all. Ironic, isn't it, that this pugnacious fellow is opposed to dogfighting? I guess denigration of every human on the planet is a good thing though. Ah, the obnoxious troglodyte…er, I mean terrierguy…whose latest blog entries are irrational rants about WHY pit bulls are being killed in droves in shelters. The nut case believes this is simply because, well, they exist. That’s right! All would be well if we just neutered neutered neutered them out of existence.
It couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that shelters routinely kill anything bull terrier looking at the first opportunity? Or have policies against adopting them out? Or, like Denver, have laws against the ownership of pit bulls?
Yeah, it must be all the terrible breeders and owners fault. And his solution is anti-bully laws and breed-specific laws. After all these dogs are different from other dogs. They are vicious. And there wouldn’t be enought homes anyway, what with all that overpopulation of dogs we have and all.
Ironic, isn’t it, that this pugnacious fellow is opposed to dogfighting? I guess denigration of every human on the planet is a good thing though.

]]> By: JDZ http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-146121 JDZ Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:38:09 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-146121 He comes up with good Natural History items on his blog. It is a pity that he has some sort of ego problem that leads him to heap abuse on fellow sportsmen so frequently. There was a recent case of obnoxia when Burns reverted to grammar school, putting up some childish insults accusing me of theft for posting a photo of him to accompany one of my replies. I would have removed it, if he had insisted, but he just stopped corresponding with me. He comes up with good Natural History items on his blog. It is a pity that he has some sort of ego problem that leads him to heap abuse on fellow sportsmen so frequently. There was a recent case of obnoxia when Burns reverted to grammar school, putting up some childish insults accusing me of theft for posting a photo of him to accompany one of my replies. I would have removed it, if he had insisted, but he just stopped corresponding with me.

]]> By: Ann S http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-146116 Ann S Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:33:36 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-146116 I'm glad I found this update - I too had recently tried to "engage" w/ Mr. Burns. I didn't know anything about him other than his web site and his blog. He seemed like a knowledgable terrierman but I was concerned at tone of some of his sweeping generalizations about purebred dog owners, etc. To my knowledge my posts were not moderated but I must admit I was saddened by how quickly - with NO knowledge of me he decided I was a "moron" placed me in the same category as Hitler and went on about how I know nothing and that I have not done my research. He seems to have difficulty at times recognizing his own faulty logic and where he contradicts himself. I find it sad that he can't see the more he judges and stands on his soapbox the easier he is making it for PETA to influence and kennels to be raided and laws passed, etc. I also don't know how he can really think he is safe - off the radar would be a better definition in my mind. If hunting terriers were more common I can guarantee that the animal rights groups would be lined up at Mr. Burns door much sooner than Wendy Willard's. I’m glad I found this update – I too had recently tried to “engage” w/ Mr. Burns. I didn’t know anything about him other than his web site and his blog.

He seemed like a knowledgable terrierman but I was concerned at tone of some of his sweeping generalizations about purebred dog owners, etc.

To my knowledge my posts were not moderated but I must admit I was saddened by how quickly – with NO knowledge of me he decided I was a “moron” placed me in the same category as Hitler and went on about how I know nothing and that I have not done my research.

He seems to have difficulty at times recognizing his own faulty logic and where he contradicts himself.

I find it sad that he can’t see the more he judges and stands on his soapbox the easier he is making it for PETA to influence and kennels to be raided and laws passed, etc. I also don’t know how he can really think he is safe – off the radar would be a better definition in my mind. If hunting terriers were more common I can guarantee that the animal rights groups would be lined up at Mr. Burns door much sooner than Wendy Willard’s.

]]> By: flagday http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-144729 flagday Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:25:31 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-144729 Remember the instructions from Deepthroat "Follow the money" The original complaint was about noise. The ensueing actions led to a warrant and the discovery of dogs in excess of the limit in Philadelphia (this would not look like Phila. if you saw the property). 7 vehicles including Phila. Police are now involved, and dogs have been removed. The Pspca is now holding a large bill for manpower, vehicles, etc. against a backdrop of a city in financial crisis. Are you surprised that more serious charges followed? It is another take on the "logic" of Investigator Burns. I also pray the dogs are safe and will be recovered, but this has become such a "peeing contest" .... Remember the instructions from Deepthroat “Follow the money” The original complaint was about noise. The ensueing actions led to a warrant and the discovery of dogs in excess of the limit in Philadelphia (this would not look like Phila. if you saw the property). 7 vehicles including Phila. Police are now involved, and dogs have been removed. The Pspca is now holding a large bill for manpower, vehicles, etc. against a backdrop of a city in financial crisis. Are you surprised that more serious charges followed? It is another take on the “logic” of Investigator Burns. I also pray the dogs are safe and will be recovered, but this has become such a “peeing contest” ....

]]> By: maggie b http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-143461 maggie b Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:28:32 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-143461 I only care about the lady and her bassets. I pray she gets her dogs back soon and in good condition. I also pray to a merciful God that those sobs at ASPCA PA get what is coming to them 100 fold. It is a long road that does not turn. I only care about the lady and her bassets. I pray she gets her dogs back soon and in good condition. I also pray to a merciful God that those sobs at ASPCA PA get what is coming to them 100 fold. It is a long road that does not turn.

]]> By: Fellow Terrierman http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-143442 Fellow Terrierman Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:21:15 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-143442 Mr. Burns opinion in his mind is the only opinion that counts. He has made up his mind, & he has done his research to back up his opinion. So here some easy facts to follow: If a fox is a canine and a terrier is a canine and you allow your terrier to engage the fox is that not dog fighting? Something Mr. Burns opinion is that is next to child molestation. If you breed a non working animal, you are a follower of, if not the anti christ yourself. If you own a working breed of dog as a pet you are doing an injustice, because you are promoting that dog as an acceptable pet and the breeder who sold you that dog should be hung by the nearest tree branch, but alas Mr.Burns hunts but does not breed. So all of his rants are mute. Most of the dogs in Mr. Burn's current dogs pedigrees are non hunters. Mr. Burns border terrier is from show stock, so almost guaranteed to have no working ability in it at all right? Yet somehow after generations of non working stock, Mr. Burns border terrier worked!? interesting. Mr. Burns border terrier is so big in the chest, surely it can't fit down an earth, yet this dog took such severe damage while working, Mr. Burns decided to never hunt the dog again, yet again he claims that to not work a working terrier is a crime! hmmm, No worder Mr. Burns wears knee high muckers, I wonder do they come a$$ high? Mr. Burns opinion in his mind is the only opinion that counts. He has made up his mind, & he has done his research to back up his opinion. So here some easy facts to follow: If a fox is a canine and a terrier is a canine and you allow your terrier to engage the fox is that not dog fighting? Something Mr. Burns opinion is that is next to child molestation. If you breed a non working animal, you are a follower of, if not the anti christ yourself. If you own a working breed of dog as a pet you are doing an injustice, because you are promoting that dog as an acceptable pet and the breeder who sold you that dog should be hung by the nearest tree branch, but alas Mr.Burns hunts but does not breed. So all of his rants are mute. Most of the dogs in Mr. Burn’s current dogs pedigrees are non hunters. Mr. Burns border terrier is from show stock, so almost guaranteed to have no working ability in it at all right? Yet somehow after generations of non working stock, Mr. Burns border terrier worked!? interesting. Mr. Burns border terrier is so big in the chest, surely it can’t fit down an earth, yet this dog took such severe damage while working, Mr. Burns decided to never hunt the dog again, yet again he claims that to not work a working terrier is a crime! hmmm, No worder Mr. Burns wears knee high muckers, I wonder do they come a$$ high?

]]> By: EmilyS http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-143441 EmilyS Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:15:51 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-143441 Mike: One of Burns' dishonest techniques is to deny he has written something if you don't quote exactly what he wrote, though it's perfectly obvious what his meaning and intent is. It is perfectly obvious that he doesn't believe in purebred dogs, or the entire notion of purebred dogs. So your sardonic characterization of your interchange is essentially correct. Mike: One of Burns’ dishonest techniques is to deny he has written something if you don’t quote exactly what he wrote, though it’s perfectly obvious what his meaning and intent is. It is perfectly obvious that he doesn’t believe in purebred dogs, or the entire notion of purebred dogs. So your sardonic characterization of your interchange is essentially correct.

]]> By: Mike Spies http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-143144 Mike Spies Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:47:34 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-143144 Patrick - I never spoke or talked to you. We exchanged a series of comments on your blog - all of your comments were published, mine were 'moderated'. The discussion was about your demonizing of 'purebred' dogs (any dog, apparently, with a pedigree). Your claim was (is) that purebred dogs are a basket case of genetic frailty. My point was that what is bred in can be bred out, and that you will never achieve consistently excellent and healthy dogs by out crossing or cross breeding. Of course, some of my comments got moderated, even though they were civil. Use the search function on your blog and on Steve Bodio's blog, and perhaps you will find them. Of course, you are welcome to post on my blog in response to anything I have to say there or elsewhere. I maintain, though, that this is a discussion that I correctly characterized in my earlier comment here. Patrick – I never spoke or talked to you. We exchanged a series of comments on your blog – all of your comments were published, mine were ‘moderated’.

The discussion was about your demonizing of ‘purebred’ dogs (any dog, apparently, with a pedigree). Your claim was (is) that purebred dogs are a basket case of genetic frailty.

My point was that what is bred in can be bred out, and that you will never achieve consistently excellent and healthy dogs by out crossing or cross breeding. Of course, some of my comments got moderated, even though they were civil.

Use the search function on your blog and on Steve Bodio’s blog, and perhaps you will find them. Of course, you are welcome to post on my blog in response to anything I have to say there or elsewhere.

I maintain, though, that this is a discussion that I correctly characterized in my earlier comment here.

]]> By: Fellow Terrierman http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-142762 Fellow Terrierman Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:57:28 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-142762 PS. is GOOGLE your friend? PS. is GOOGLE your friend?

]]> By: Fellow Terrierman http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-142761 Fellow Terrierman Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:53:50 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-142761 Mr. Burns since you despise pit bull fighting then why do you have on your blog a tribute to a ex pit bull fighter, who served time in jail, turned terrier hunter, who hung himself in a jail cell after being arrested for abusing his power over two separate women as a substance abuse counselor for the state of NJ. Then I ask why you hunt with a still fighting pit bull fighter "Chris" from Maryland, owner of Metal Kennels, who goes by the Internet name of Behind the Eye? and you stand her and call Miss Willard a nut? I smell something..... Mr. Burns since you despise pit bull fighting then why do you have on your blog a tribute to a ex pit bull fighter, who served time in jail, turned terrier hunter, who hung himself in a jail cell after being arrested for abusing his power over two separate women as a substance abuse counselor for the state of NJ. Then I ask why you hunt with a still fighting pit bull fighter “Chris” from Maryland, owner of Metal Kennels, who goes by the Internet name of Behind the Eye? and you stand her and call Miss Willard a nut?

I smell something…..

]]> By: flagday http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-142549 flagday Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:24:17 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-142549 People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is a noble caue, but since we have not mastered PETP (people for the ethical treatment of people) what is the role model we should use. Had there been a system in Phila where one received a copy of the dog law when one paid a license fee, had there been in the initial visit of the SPCA a copy of a complaint form rather than a business card, in short had there been a civil exchange, we not be in this contest around a fire hydrant. Ever since the Egyptians stored grain there has been distrust and conflict between rural and urban lifestyles. It is a shame the dogs are in the middle. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is a noble caue, but since we have not mastered PETP (people for the ethical treatment of people) what is the role model we should use. Had there been a system in Phila where one received a copy of the dog law when one paid a license fee, had there been in the initial visit of the SPCA a copy of a complaint form rather than a business card, in short had there been a civil exchange, we not be in this contest around a fire hydrant. Ever since the Egyptians stored grain there has been distrust and conflict between rural and urban lifestyles. It is a shame the dogs are in the middle.

]]> By: PBurns http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-142513 PBurns Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:52:52 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-142513 Mike Spies, I do not ever recall talking to you or emailing you, and I have never written about English setters once in my entire life, nor have I ever said one bad thing about field dogs that actually hunt, in my entire life. Go ahead and read through everything I have written, because for the life of me I cannot fathom what you are jabbering on about. Good news for you too -- my web site and blog have search engines, so it should be easy for you to find my posts about English Setters. Feel free to post whatever correspondence we have exchanged as well. I do not have all my emails going back since the dawn of time, but I do not say in secret what I will not say in public. Post away! PBurns Mike Spies, I do not ever recall talking to you or emailing you, and I have never written about English setters once in my entire life, nor have I ever said one bad thing about field dogs that actually hunt, in my entire life. Go ahead and read through everything I have written, because for the life of me I cannot fathom what you are jabbering on about. Good news for you too—my web site and blog have search engines, so it should be easy for you to find my posts about English Setters. Feel free to post whatever correspondence we have exchanged as well. I do not have all my emails going back since the dawn of time, but I do not say in secret what I will not say in public. Post away!

PBurns

]]> By: Grant http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-142486 Grant Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:38:48 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-142486 Philadelphia. A greater percentage of people work for government at all levels in Philadelphia than in any other Blue Urban Area. Are they looking for a counterpart to Michael Vick? (Who, by the way, represents a huge missed opportunity: instead of incarceration, he should've been made to appear regularly on Oprah, Jerry, and Montel, et al., as the poster child against cruelty to animals.) A little perspective, please! In many cultures, dogs are food animals. Better than bush meat? I hope I never have any basis for comparison. Philadelphia. A greater percentage of people work for government at all levels in Philadelphia than in any other Blue Urban Area. Are they looking for a counterpart to Michael Vick? (Who, by the way, represents a huge missed opportunity: instead of incarceration, he should’ve been made to appear regularly on Oprah, Jerry, and Montel, et al., as the poster child against cruelty to animals.)
A little perspective, please! In many cultures, dogs are food animals. Better than bush meat? I hope I never have any basis for comparison.

]]> By: EmilyS http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-142463 EmilyS Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:48:56 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-142463 happens to pit bulls all the time. http://bluedogstate.blogspot.com/2009/08/hsus-and-aspca-filling-pit-bull-burial.html Most or many pit bull owners, according to Burns, are dogfighters who only own the breed to intimidate him personally and therefore should be subject to special restrictive laws. happens to pit bulls all the time.

http://bluedogstate.blogspot.com/2009/08/hsus-and-aspca-filling-pit-bull-burial.html

Most or many pit bull owners, according to Burns, are dogfighters who only own the breed to intimidate him personally and therefore should be subject to special restrictive laws.

]]> By: Mike Spies http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-142462 Mike Spies Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:41:01 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-142462 Patrick has pretty fixed opinions regards all things dog. i engaged him on the subject of breeding and purebred dogs. Result; I am stupid because I have purebred English setters that hunt birds - as opposed to mutts that dig up small furbearers. Sort of an athlete versus hodcarrier argument, really, with no common ground for discourse. Seems to be a pattern here. Patrick has pretty fixed opinions regards all things dog. i engaged him on the subject of breeding and purebred dogs. Result; I am stupid because I have purebred English setters that hunt birds – as opposed to mutts that dig up small furbearers. Sort of an athlete versus hodcarrier argument, really, with no common ground for discourse. Seems to be a pattern here.

]]> By: LabRat http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/12/spca-outrage-in-philadelphia-10-answering-pat-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-142439 LabRat Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:16:09 +0000 http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=6809#comment-142439 I like how his argument boils down to "if individuals want silly luxuries like due process, they should pay for it themselves". I like how his argument boils down to “if individuals want silly luxuries like due process, they should pay for it themselves”.

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