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	<title>Never Yet Melted &#187; Torture</title>
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		<title>Waterboarding Terrorists Led Directly to Osama</title>
		<link>http://neveryetmelted.com/2011/05/06/waterboarding-terrorists-led-directly-to-osama/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 17:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Barack Obama]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Osama bin Laden]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Former CIA Director Michael B. Mukasey testifies to the crucial role played by mildly coercive interrogation techniques in establishing the trail that ultimately led to Osama bin Laden. The cosmic irony is that the single greatest success of the Obama Administration resulted specifically from the policies and tactics used by the previous administration which he [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/266608/motivational-poster-george-w-bushs-library"><img src="http://neveryetmelted.com/wp-images/Vindication.jpg" alt="" /></a></p>

	<p>Former <span class="caps">CIA </span>Director <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703859304576305023876506348.html?mod=WSJ_newsreel_opinion">Michael B. Mukasey</a> testifies to the crucial role played by mildly coercive interrogation techniques in establishing the trail that ultimately led to Osama bin Laden.</p>

	<p>The cosmic irony is that the single greatest success of the Obama Administration resulted specifically from the policies and tactics used by the previous administration which he ran against and has since eliminated.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
[T]he intelligence that led to bin Laden came&#8230; began with a disclosure from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM), who broke like a dam under the pressure of harsh interrogation techniques that included waterboarding. He loosed a torrent of information&#8212;including eventually the nickname of a trusted courier of bin Laden.</p>

	<p>That regimen of harsh interrogation was used on <span class="caps">KSM</span> after another detainee, Abu Zubaydeh, was subjected to the same techniques. When he broke, he said that he and other members of al Qaeda were obligated to resist only until they could no longer do so, at which point it became permissible for them to yield. &#8220;Do this for all the brothers,&#8221; he advised his interrogators.</p>

	<p>Abu Zubaydeh was coerced into disclosing information that led to the capture of Ramzi bin al Shibh, another of the planners of 9/11. Bin al Shibh disclosed information that, when combined with what was learned from Abu Zubaydeh, helped lead to the capture of <span class="caps">KSM</span> and other senior terrorists and the disruption of follow-on plots aimed at both Europe and the United States.</p>

	<p>Another of those gathered up later in this harvest, Abu Faraj al-Libi, also was subjected to certain of these harsh techniques and disclosed further details about bin Laden&#8217;s couriers that helped in last weekend&#8217;s achievement.</p>

	<p>The harsh techniques themselves were used selectively against only a small number of hard-core prisoners who successfully resisted other forms of interrogation, and then only with the explicit authorization of the director of the <span class="caps">CIA</span>. Of the thousands of unlawful combatants captured by the U.S., fewer than 100 were detained and questioned in the <span class="caps">CIA</span> program. Of those, fewer than one-third were subjected to any of these techniques.</p>

	<p>Former <span class="caps">CIA </span>Director Michael Hayden has said that, as late as 2006, even with the growing success of other intelligence tools, fully half of the government&#8217;s knowledge about the structure and activities of al Qaeda came from those interrogations. The Bush administration put these techniques in place only after rigorous analysis by the Justice Department, which concluded that they were lawful.</p>

	<p>The current president ran for election on the promise to do away with them even before he became aware, if he ever did, of what they were. Days after taking office he directed that the <span class="caps">CIA</span> interrogation program be done away with entirely, and that interrogation be limited to the techniques set forth in the Army Field Manual, a document designed for use by even the least experienced troops. It&#8217;s available on the Internet and used by terrorists as a training manual for resisting interrogation.</p>

	<p>In April 2009, the administration made public the previously classified Justice Department memoranda analyzing the harsh techniques, thereby disclosing them to our enemies and assuring that they could never be used effectively again. ...</p>

	<p>Immediately following the killing of bin Laden, the issue of interrogation techniques became in some quarters the &#8220;dirty little secret&#8221; of the event. But as disclosed in the declassified memos in 2009, the techniques are neither dirty nor, as noted by Director Hayden and others, were their results little. As the memoranda concluded&#8212;and as I concluded reading them at the beginning of my tenure as attorney general in 2007&#8212;the techniques were entirely lawful as the law stood at the time the memos were written, and the disclosures they elicited were enormously important. That they are no longer secret is deeply regrettable. ...</p>

	<p>We&#8230; need to put an end to the ongoing investigations of <span class="caps">CIA</span> operatives that continue to undermine intelligence community morale.</p>

	<p>Acknowledging and meeting the need for an effective and lawful interrogation program, which we once had, and freeing <span class="caps">CIA</span> operatives and others to administer it under congressional oversight, would be a fitting way to mark the demise of Osama bin Laden.</blockquote></p>


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		<title>Inconvenient Time Line</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 11:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Barack Obama]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Osama bin Laden]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Torture]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Doug Ross outlines the simple facts which play havoc with one of Barack Obama&#8217;s principal campaign issues. Say, how is Eric Holder&#8217;s plan to prosecute CIA interrogators going? 1. 2003: Enhanced Interrogation of Khalid Sheikh Mohammad Results in the Nom De Guerre of bin Ladin&#8217;s Courier&#8230; 2. 2004: Enhanced Interrogation of al-Qahtani Confirms the Nom [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/05/dems-worst-nightmare-terror-wiretaps.html">Doug Ross</a> outlines the simple facts which play havoc with one of Barack Obama&#8217;s principal campaign issues.  Say, how is Eric Holder&#8217;s plan to prosecute <span class="caps">CIA</span> interrogators going?</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
1. 2003: Enhanced Interrogation of Khalid Sheikh Mohammad Results in the Nom De Guerre of bin Ladin&#8217;s Courier&#8230;</p>

	<p>2. 2004: Enhanced Interrogation of al-Qahtani Confirms the Nom De Geure of bin Ladin&#8217;s Courier&#8230;</p>

	<p>3. 2006 (?): Enhanced Interrogation of an Al Qaeda Captured in Iraq, Ghul, Produces the Real Name of the Courier&#8230;</p>

	<p>4. 2006-2009: <span class="caps">NSA </span>Begins Furiously Intercepting Any And All Communications Made By Anyone &#8220;al-Kuwaiti&#8221; Has Ever Known&#8230;</p>

	<p>5. Late 2010 (?): al-Kuwaiti Places a Very Ill-Advised Phone Call&#8230; &#8220;[conversing] with someone who was being monitored by U.S. intelligence&#8230; the courier [then] unknowingly led authorities to a [bizarre] compound in the northeast Pakistani town of Abbottabad&#8230;&#8221;</p>

	<p>6. 2011: Surveying Abbottabad, We Grow Confident We&#8217;ve Found Bin Ladin&#8217;s Hideout&#8230;</p>

	<p>7. April 29-May 1 2011: Obama&#8217;s Team Tells Him They Have High Confidence Bin Ladin (or at Least His Most Trusted Courier) is In the Compound, and Obama Agrees, and Orders the Raid; On May 1 It&#8217;s Executed By <span class="caps">SEAL </span>Team 6&#8230;</p>

	<p>8. May 2011: Begin a Disinformation Campaign To Convince the Public That 2003-2008 Never Happened.</blockquote></p>


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		<title>The New Moral and Humane Approach: No Prisoners</title>
		<link>http://neveryetmelted.com/2010/12/05/the-new-moral-and-humane-approach-no-prisoners/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 11:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Guantanamo Detainees]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Laws of War]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Torture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[War on Terror]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Ignatius observes that, in the new, morally-improved age of Obama, sleep deprivation, face slaps, and body shakes are out, but sudden death by high explosive is thriving as never before. Liberal scruples about interrogation and unlimited detention and the significant percentage of released detainees returning to the jihad have very obviously modified the American [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/01/AR2010120104458.html">David Ignatius</a> observes that, in the new, morally-improved age of Obama, sleep deprivation, face slaps, and body shakes are out, but sudden death by high explosive is thriving as never before.</p>

	<p>Liberal scruples about interrogation and unlimited detention and the significant percentage of released detainees returning to the jihad have very obviously modified the American approach to war. If you can&#8217;t gain any information from captured insurgents and you are going to wind up in the end playing catch-and-release, the likelihood that you are going to take any prisoners at all declines dramatically.</p>

	<p>Most amusingly, the consciences of the intelligentsia have been found to be surprisingly comfortable with the more recent remote-killing campaign.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
Every war brings its own deformations, but consider this disturbing fact about America&#8217;s war against al-Qaeda: It has become easier, politically and legally, for the United States to kill suspected terrorists than to capture and interrogate them.</p>

	<p>Predator and Reaper drones, armed with Hellfire missiles, have become the weapons of choice against al-Qaeda operatives in the tribal areas of Pakistan. They have also been used in Yemen, and the demand for these efficient tools of war, which target enemies from 10,000 feet, is likely to grow.</p>

	<p>The pace of drone attacks on the tribal areas has increased sharply during the Obama presidency, with more assaults in September and October of this year than in all of 2008. At the same time, efforts to capture al-Qaeda suspects have virtually stopped. Indeed, if <span class="caps">CIA</span> operatives were to snatch a terrorist tomorrow, the agency wouldn&#8217;t be sure where it could detain him for interrogation.</p>

	<p>Michael Hayden, a former director of the <span class="caps">CIA</span>, frames the puzzle this way: &#8220;Have we made detention and interrogation so legally difficult and politically risky that our default option is to kill our adversaries rather than capture and interrogate them?&#8221;</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s curious why the American public seems so comfortable with a tactic that arguably is a form of long-range assassination, after the furor about the <span class="caps">CIA</span>&#8217;s use of nonlethal methods known as &#8220;enhanced interrogation.&#8221; When Israel adopted an approach of &#8220;targeted killing&#8221; against Hamas and other terrorist adversaries, it provoked an extensive debate there and abroad.</p>

	<p>&#8220;For reasons that defy logic, people are more comfortable with drone attacks&#8221; than with killings at close range, says Robert Grenier, a former top <span class="caps">CIA</span> counterterrorism officer who now is a consultant with <span class="caps">ERG </span>Partners. &#8220;It&#8217;s something that seems so clean and antiseptic, but the moral issues are the same.&#8221; </blockquote></p>


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		<title>Wikileaks Leaks Iraq Material</title>
		<link>http://neveryetmelted.com/2010/10/22/wikileaks-leaks-iraq-material/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 23:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Iran]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[The usual gang of establishment media collaborated: New York Times The Guardian Spiegel The commentariat of the left is complaining that US forces did not stop the Iraqis from coercively interrogating enemy prisoners. The other big news is the larger involvement of Iran in the Iraq insurgency than the US government publicly reported. Rusty Shackleford [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The usual gang of establishment media collaborated:</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/world/middleeast/23iran.html?_r=1&#38;partner=rss&#38;emc=rss">New York Times</a></p>

	<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/22/iraq-war-logs-military-leaks">The Guardian</a></p>

	<p><a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,724845,00.html">Spiegel</a></p>

	<p>The commentariat of the left is complaining that US forces did not stop the Iraqis from coercively interrogating enemy prisoners.  The other big news is the larger involvement of Iran in the Iraq insurgency than the US government publicly reported.</p>

	<p><a href="http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/204563.php">Rusty Shackleford</a> notes the hypocrisy of leftist indignation.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
WikiLeaks Bombshell: <span class="caps">US </span>Knew Arab Regime Tortured Citizens<img src="!" alt="" border="0" /></p>

	<p>Wow. this is the big deal? And what was the US supposed to do if they investigated claims that the Iraqi government tortured its citizens? Invade? Yeah, I bet Julian Assange, the hysterical Left, and their Islamist allies would love that.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s the problem with America haters like Assange, Chomsky, and Osama bin Laden: it&#8217;s a worldview where America is always in the wrong, no matter what we do.</p>

	<p>When we act, it&#8217;s evidence of <span class="caps">US </span>Imperialism. When we don&#8217;t act, it&#8217;s evidence of the US not caring about brown people.</p>

	<p>We&#8217;re damned if we do, we&#8217;re damned if we don&#8217;t.</p>

	<p>Which makes their underlying theory of cause and effect not a theory at all. First because it&#8217;s not falsifiable. Second, because all affects are attributed to the same cause.</p>

	<p>I think the part of the story that pisses me off the most is that Assange promised us last time he&#8217;d do a better job of vetting the documents in order to protect the lives of soldiers and civilians. So, what did he do? Gave al Jazeera complete access to them.</blockquote></p>


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		<title>&#8220;Highest Value Detainee&#8221; Ordered Released</title>
		<link>http://neveryetmelted.com/2010/03/23/highest-value-detainee-ordered-released/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[9/11]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Al Qaeda]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Guantanamo Detainees]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mohamedou Ould Slahi]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mohamedou Ould Slahi, Osama bin Laden, Ramzi Binalshibh and Mohammed Atta All poor Mohamedou Ould Slahi did was recruit Mohammed Atta, Marwan al Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah, the suicide pilots of American Airlines Flight 11, United Airlines Flight 175, and United Airlines Flight 93, for their mission on September 11, 2001. Mr. Slahi and his [...]]]></description>
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<strong>Mohamedou Ould Slahi, Osama bin Laden, Ramzi Binalshibh and Mohammed Atta</strong></p>

	<p>All poor <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamedou_Ould_Slahi">Mohamedou Ould Slahi</a> did was recruit Mohammed Atta, Marwan al Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah, the suicide pilots of American Airlines Flight 11, United Airlines Flight 175, and United Airlines Flight 93, for their mission on September 11, 2001.</p>

	<p>Mr. Slahi and his defense team allege that he was tortured, i.e., beaten, exposed to uncomfortable temperatures, threatened, frightened by threats against his family, and sexually taunted by female interrogators. A <a href="http://www.defense.gov/news/Jul2005/d20050714report.pdf"><span class="caps">DOD</span> inquiry</a> failed to confirm most of these allegations, but they were obviously credited, and considered to constitute torture, by the officer in charge of prosecution.</p>

	<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704841304575138013356640710.html">Wall Street Journal</a>:</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
Although the treatment apparently induced Mr. Slahi&#8217;s compliance, the military prosecutor, Marine Lt. Col. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Couch">V. Stuart Couch</a>, determined that it constituted torture and evidence it produced could not lawfully be used against Mr. Slahi.</p>

	<p>Col. Couch, in a March 31, 2007, Page One story in The Wall Street Journal, cited legal, professional and moral reasons for declining to prosecute.</p>

	<p>Mr. Slahi, who was then viewed as a cooperator by interrogators, was granted various privileges at Guant&#225;namo Bay, including his own quarters and garden to tend.</p>

	<p>Col. Couch, now in private practice in North Carolina, said Monday&#8217;s order &#8220;is one of the consequences that the decision-makers should have foreseen when they decided to adopt a policy of cruelty, and the interrogation techniques that flowed from it.&#8221; </blockquote></p>


	<p>The same Journal article informs us that he is consequently being freed to resume his former activities.</p>


	<p><blockquote><br />
A suspected al Qaeda organizer once called &#8220;the highest value detainee&#8221; at Guant&#225;namo Bay was ordered released by a federal judge in an order issued Monday.</p>

	<p>Mohamedou Ould Slahi was accused in the 9/11 Commission report of helping recruit Mohammed Atta and other members of the al Qaeda cell in Hamburg, Germany, that took part in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.</p>


	<p>Military prosecutors suspected Mr. Slahi of links to other al Qaeda operations, and considered seeking the death penalty against him while preparing possible charges in 2003 and 2004.</p>

	<p>U.S. District Judge <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Robertson_%28judge%29">James Robertson</a> granted Mr. Slahi&#8217;s petition for habeas corpus, effectively finding the government lacked legal grounds to hold him. The order was classified, although the court said it planned to release a redacted public version in the coming weeks.</p>

	<p>Mr. Robertson held four days of closed hearings in the Slahi case last year. Mr. Slahi testified via secure video link from Guant&#225;namo Bay, said his attorney.</p>

	<p>&#8220;They were considering giving him the death penalty. Now they don&#8217;t even have enough evidence to pass the test for habeas,&#8221; said the attorney, Nancy Hollander, of Albuquerque, N.M. </blockquote></p>

	<p>Spiegel did a major <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,druck-583193,00.html">article</a> in October of 2008 on Slahi.</p>

	<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
What can one possibly say about the kind of stupidity that equates misinforming, threatening, taunting, scaring, and even roughing up or inflicting some discomfort on a mass murderer with torture?  Or about the legal acumen of jurists who award <em>habeas corpus</em> protection to unlawful belligerents apprehended overseas during time of war?</p>

	<p>Do you suppose they can quote <em>&#8220;Quos Deus perdere, dementat&#8221;</em> [Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad] in Arabic?</p>





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		<title>Taliban Number 2 &#8220;Singing Like a Male Canary&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://neveryetmelted.com/2010/03/11/taliban-number-2-singing-like-a-male-canary/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pakistani sources told the Washington Examiner. The Afghan Taliban&#8217;s former second in command has been &#8220;singing like a male canary&#8221; since his capture last month, officials here told The Washington Examiner. Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, who was arrested by Pakistani security agencies in Karachi, has become &#8220;a vital asset in gathering information on the Taliban [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pakistani sources told the <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/world/Sources_-Captured-Taliban-leader-_singing-like-a-male-canary_-87235842.html">Washington Examiner</a>.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
The Afghan Taliban&#8217;s former second in command has been &#8220;singing like a male canary&#8221; since his capture last month, officials here told The Washington Examiner.</p>

	<p>Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, who was arrested by Pakistani security agencies in Karachi, has become &#8220;a vital asset in gathering information on the Taliban and other extremist groups operating in the region,&#8221; one Pakistani counterintelligence official said.</p>

	<p>The official spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of his work. Baradar is of interest to both U.S. and Afghan authorities. It is believed that U.S. counterintelligence officials are also questioning Baradar, who has close ties to Mullah Omar and other leaders in the region.</p>

	<p>Baradar&#8217;s information that will aide both Pakistan and the United States in the war on terror, the Pakistani officials said.</p>

	<p>&#8220;He obviously does not want to be released under any circumstances,&#8221; one Pakistani official said. &#8220;He would not survive after the information he has given the government.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Baradar was born in Wetmak village in the southern Uruzgan province of Afghanistan into an ethnic Pashtun Popalzai clan in 1968. His arrest dealt a serious blow to the Afghan Taliban.</p>

	<p>The Pakistani official said Islamabad &#8220;is expected to turn over Baradar to Afghan authorities after we have finished with him.&#8221;</blockquote></p>

	<p>What the article and its sources fail to discuss is the obvious consideration that, post capture, Baradar was not Mirandized, taken to Guantanamo, sent to Illinois, given a trial in Manhattan, or released in Bermuda. In fact, he was not put in US custody at all.</p>

	<p>It is only too clear that US domestic differences concerning detainee status, interrogation, and ultimate fate have produced a state of affairs in which we have every interest in making sure that a captured terrorist in possession of valuable information wind up in somebody&#8217;s else hands rather than our own. We cannot cope with prisoners.</p>

	<p>We can&#8217;t interrogate them. We don&#8217;t know how to try them. And we are incapable even of keeping them safe in captivity.  Bring someone like Baradar into the United States, and Ivy-League-educated attorneys will come a-running to be sure that he gets the full protection of the kind of top flight legal counsel you certainly could not afford, the domestic Constitution, the Magna Carta, and the opinion pages of the Washington Post and New York Times.</p>

	<p>In Pakistan, the <span class="caps">ISI</span> can apply any enhanced interrogation techniques it cares to try.  No wonder Baradar is talking.</p>

	<p>Best of all, no one is accusing Barack Obama of renditioning Baradar to Pakistan. Why, the scoundrel was captured there. It&#8217;s not Obama&#8217;s fault that he fell into the tender mercies of Pakistani intelligence.</p>



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		<title>Why Give KSM a Civilian Trial?</title>
		<link>http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/11/14/why-give-ksm-a-civilian-trial/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can a case against a foreign enemy apprehended by another government possibly be prosecuted within the rules of domestic criminal procedure? Khalid Shaikh Mohammed obviously was never Mirandized. What can Eric Holder and Barack Obama possibly be thinking? Are these people hopelessly naive? Andrew McCarthy doesn&#8217;t think so. He thinks they know exactly what [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How can a case against a foreign enemy apprehended by another government possibly be prosecuted within the rules of domestic criminal procedure? Khalid Shaikh Mohammed obviously was never Mirandized. What can Eric Holder and Barack Obama possibly be thinking? Are these people hopelessly naive?</p>

	<p><a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTVkN2ZhMTU0NzcwYWVmYTNmODI1ZTJjMTA1ZDFiODQ=">Andrew McCarthy</a> doesn&#8217;t think so. He thinks they know exactly what they&#8217;re doing.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
We are now going to have a trial that never had to happen for defendants who have no defense. And when defendants have no defense for their own actions, there is only one thing for their lawyers to do: put the government on trial in hopes of getting the jury (and the media) spun up over government errors, abuses and incompetence. That is what is going to happen in the trial of <span class="caps">KSM</span> et al. It will be a soapbox for al-Qaeda&#8217;s case against America. Since that will be their &#8220;defense,&#8221; the defendants will demand every bit of information they can get about interrogations, renditions, secret prisons, undercover operations targeting Muslims and mosques, etc., and &#8212; depending on what judge catches the case &#8212; they are likely to be given a lot of it. The administration will be able to claim that the judge, not the administration, is responsible for the exposure of our defense secrets. And the circus will be played out for all to see &#8212; in the middle of the war. It will provide endless fodder for the transnational Left to press its case that actions taken in America&#8217;s defense are violations of international law that must be addressed by foreign courts. And the intelligence bounty will make our enemies more efficient at killing us.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Read the <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTVkN2ZhMTU0NzcwYWVmYTNmODI1ZTJjMTA1ZDFiODQ=">whole thing</a>.</p>


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		<title>AP: US Interrogators Got Only Two Weeks Training</title>
		<link>http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/25/ap-us-interrogators-got-only-two-weeks-training/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[US Special Operations-trained Interrogation Caterpillar. These guys are fierce. Pamela Hess and Matt Appuzzo, writing for some news agency, are trying to shocking a nation&#8217;s conscience. With just two weeks of training, or about half the time it takes to become a truck driver, the CIA certified its spies as interrogation experts after 9/11 and [...]]]></description>
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<strong><span class="caps">US </span>Special Operations-trained Interrogation Caterpillar. These guys are fierce. </strong></p>

	<p><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gzr_yE5_yaI1vEav8lxIHFFlSdGQD9AA53O00">Pamela Hess and Matt Appuzzo</a>, writing for some news agency, are trying to shocking a nation&#8217;s conscience.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
With just two weeks of training, or about half the time it takes to become a truck driver, the <span class="caps">CIA</span> certified its spies as interrogation experts after 9/11 and handed them the keys to the most coercive tactics in the agency&#8217;s arsenal.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Can you imagine? Just because some Muslim terrorists killed a lousy 3000 Americans and produced some mere billions of dollars worth of physical destruction and economic disruption, the Bush Administration actually allowed people with only two weeks of federal training to slap terrorists, pour water on them, and (worst of all) to expose them to <a href="http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/04/20/shocking-brutality-and-with-caterpillars-too/">caterpillar attack</a>.</p>

	<p>Hat tip to Stephen Frankel.</p>

	<p><img src="http://neveryetmelted.com/wp-images/DrillingHand.jpg" alt="" /><br />
<strong>Unlike the US, Al Qaeda provided appropriately thorough training. They even  produced a <a href="http://neveryetmelted.com/2007/05/25/al-qaeda-torture-manual/">manual</a>.</strong></p>


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		<title>Fighting Terrorism Obama-Style</title>
		<link>http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/06/11/fighting-terrorism-obama-style/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Stephen Hayes describes, first you make sure that US forces Mirandize captured enemy fighters. When 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad was captured on March 1, 2003, he was not cooperative. &#8220;I&#8217;ll talk to you guys after I get to New York and see my lawyer,&#8221; he said, according to former CIA Director George Tenet. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/605iidws.asp">Stephen Hayes</a> describes, first you make sure that US forces Mirandize captured enemy fighters.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
When 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad was captured on March 1, 2003, he was not cooperative. &#8220;I&#8217;ll talk to you guys after I get to New York and see my lawyer,&#8221; he said, according to former <span class="caps">CIA </span>Director George Tenet.</p>

	<p>Of course, <span class="caps">KSM</span> did not get a lawyer until months later, after his interrogation was completed, and Tenet says that the information the <span class="caps">CIA</span> obtained from him disrupted plots and saved lives. &#8220;I believe none of these successes would have happened if we had had to treat <span class="caps">KSM</span> like a white-collar criminal&#8212;read him his Miranda rights and get him a lawyer who surely would have insisted that his client simply shut up,&#8221; Tenet wrote in his memoirs.</p>

	<p>If Tenet is right, it&#8217;s a good thing <span class="caps">KSM</span> was captured before Barack Obama became president. For, the Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered <span class="caps">FBI</span> agents to read Miranda rights to high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention facilities in Afghanistan, according a senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee.</blockquote><br />
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	<p>Then, you arrange $11.1 million a head retirement packages to the South Seas for your prisoners.  Yes, 17 Uighurs into $200 million comes to $11.1 million semolians.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/10/money-swayed-palau-uighur-gitmo-detainees/">Fox News</a>:</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
Palau says its decision to temporarily take the 17 Uighurs, or Chinese Muslims, being held at the Guantanamo Bay prison was a &#8220;humanitarian gesture.&#8221;</p>

	<p>But the South Pacific island may have been motivated more by 200 million other reasons.</p>

	<p>Two U.S. officials told the Associated Press that the U.S. was prepared to give Palau up to $200 million in return for accepting the Uighurs and as part of a mutual defense and cooperation treaty that is due to be renegotiated this year.</p>

	<p>Figures on Palau&#8217;s federal budget weren&#8217;t immediately available, but if it is close to its size in 1999, when it was $71 million, the deal with the U.S. would in effect more than double the nation&#8217;s spending and make it the fastest growing economy in the world.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Frankly, I bet you could get very close to every terrorist simply to put down his AK-47 and retire for a considerably smaller one-time payment.</p>

	<p>Of course, it&#8217;s hard to imagine a more effective recruiting promotional deal.  I can see Achmed the al Qaeda recruiter delivering his spiel even now, &#8220;And if the soldiers of the great Shaitan capture you, they will only provide you with attorneys from Sherman &#38; Sterling before funding your retirement to a life of leisure in a tropical paradise surrounded by beautiful maidens serving you Mai Tais. Inshallah!&#8221;</p>


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		<title>House Intelligence Subcommittee Hearing Yesterday Confirms Enhanced Interrogation Saved Lives</title>
		<link>http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/06/05/house-intelligence-subcommittee-hearing-yesterday-confirms-enhanced-interrogation-saved-lives/</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[And, my, oh my, the democrats did not like that, and they don&#8217;t want you to hear about it. The Hill reports on democrat efforts to stonewall and obfuscate. In the bowels of the Capitol Visitor Center, members of the (House Intelligence Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations) gathered behind locked doors on Thursday morning to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And, my, oh my, the democrats did not like that, and they don&#8217;t want you to hear about it.</p>

	<p><a href="http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/intel-firestorm-gop-reveals-briefing-info-2009-06-04.html">The Hill</a> reports on democrat efforts to stonewall and obfuscate.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
In the bowels of the Capitol Visitor Center, members of the (House Intelligence Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations) gathered behind locked doors on Thursday morning to begin a series of hearings on the interrogation of terrorism suspects.</p>

	<p>What began as a remarkably quiet and secretive hearing had, within a matter of hours, exploded into a political brawl over intelligence matters and national security.</p>

	<p>Despite the weeks-long furor over how the Central Intelligence Agency came to use enhanced interrogation techniques, and what members of Congress were told about their development and implementation, the committee&#8217;s first hearing on the issue during the 111th Congress almost came and went without notice. The hearing was announced publicly but was not open to the public.</p>

	<p>According to Republicans, that was by design.</p>

	<p>&#8220;Democrats weren&#8217;t sure what they were going to get,&#8221; said Rep. Pete Hoekstra (Mich.), ranking Republican on the Intelligence panel, referring to information on the merits of enhanced interrogation techniques. &#8220;Now that they know what they&#8217;ve got, they don&#8217;t want to talk about it.&#8221;</p>

	<p>The hearing was publicly described only as a subcommittee hearing on &#8220;Interrogations.&#8221; A committee spokeswoman would not comment on whether the development and use of controversial interrogation tactics were discussed.</p>

	<p>But Republicans on the panel said that not only did the use of interrogation techniques come up Thursday, but that the data shared about those techniques proved they had led to valuable information that in some instances prevented terrorist attacks.</p>

	<p>Hoekstra did not attend the hearing, but said he later spoke with Republicans on the subcommittee who did.  He said he came away with even more proof that the enhanced interrogation techniques employed by the <span class="caps">CIA</span> proved effective.</p>

	<p>&#8220;I think the people who were at the hearing, in my opinion, clearly indicated that the enhanced interrogation techniques worked,&#8221; Hoekstra said.</p>

	<p>Rep. John Kline (R-Minn.), a member of the subcommittee who attended the hearing, concurred with Hoekstra.</p>

	<p>&#8220;The hearing did address the enhanced interrogation techniques that have been much in the news lately,&#8221; Kline said, noting that he was intentionally choosing his words carefully in observance of the committee rules and the nature of the information presented.</p>

	<p>&#8220;Based on what I heard and the documents I have seen, I came away with a very clear impression that we did gather information that did disrupt terrorist plots,&#8221; Kline said.</p>

	<p>Neither Hoekstra nor Kline revealed details about the specifics of what they were told Thursday or the identity of the briefers.</p>

	<p>Democrats lambasted their Republican counterparts for discussing the information that was provided behind locked doors.</p>

	<p>&#8220;I am absolutely shocked that members of the Intelligence committee who attended a closed-door hearing&#8230; then walked out that hearing &#8211; early, by the way &#8211; and characterized anything that happened in that hearing,&#8221; said Intelligence Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Chairwoman Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.). &#8220;My understanding is that&#8217;s a violation of the rules. It may be more than that.&#8221;</p>

	<p>House Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas) said, &#8220;Members on both sides need to watch what they say.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Both Schakowsky and Reyes accused <span class="caps">GOP</span> members of playing politics with national security.</p>

	<p>&#8220;I think they are playing a very dangerous game when it comes to the discussion of matters that were sensitive enough to be part of a closed hearing,&#8221; Schakowsky said.</p>

	<p>Asked about the validity of Republican contentions that information shared in Thursday&#8217;s hearing showed the effectiveness of enhanced interrogation techniques, Schakowsky said she could not comment on what was discussed at a closed hearing.</p>

	<p>Reyes responded by saying he did not attend the entire hearing.</p>

	<p>&#8220;I wasn&#8217;t at the whole hearing,&#8221; Reyes said. &#8220;As the chairman my view is we need to get the facts about how the enhanced interrogation techniques came about, not just the results.&#8221;</blockquote></p>


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		<title>President Above-It-All</title>
		<link>http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/05/23/president-above-it-all/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 10:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;In my long experience in Washington, few matters have inspired so much contrived indignation and phony moralizing as the interrogation methods applied to a few captured terrorists.&#8221; &#8212;Dick Cheney Rich Lowry hits Obama&#8217;s nail right on the head. Put Barack Obama in front of a Tele PrompTer and one thing is certain&#8212;he&#8217;ll make himself appear [...]]]></description>
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	<p><strong>&#8220;In my long experience in Washington, few matters have inspired so much contrived indignation and phony moralizing as the interrogation methods applied to a few captured terrorists.&#8221;</strong><br />
&#8212;Dick Cheney</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/o_so_above_it_all_170617.htm">Rich Lowry</a> hits Obama&#8217;s nail right on the head.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
Put Barack Obama in front of a Tele PrompTer and one thing is certain&#8212;he&#8217;ll make himself appear the most reasonable person in the room.</p>

	<p>Rhetorically, he is in the middle of any debate, perpetually surrounded by finger-pointing extremists who can&#8217;t get over their reflexive combativeness and ideological fixations to acknowledge his surpassing thoughtfulness and grace. ...</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s natural, then, that his speech at the National Archives on national security should superficially sound soothing, reasonable and even a little put upon (oh, what President Obama has to endure from all those finger-pointing extremists).</p>

	<p>But beneath its surface, the speech&#8212;given heavy play in the press as an implicit debate with former Vice President Dick Cheney, who spoke on the same topic at a different venue immediately afterward&#8212;revealed something else: a president who has great difficulty admitting error; who can&#8217;t discuss the position of his opponents without resorting to rank caricature, and who adopts an off-putting pose of above-it-all righteousness.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Read the <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/o_so_above_it_all_170617.htm">whole thing</a>.</p>




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		<title>Hollywood&#8217;s Next Hit: Three Days of the Dodo Bird</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 11:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Kahane, at National Review Online, finds fuel for the next box office blockbuster in some recent headline. [W]e still can&#8217;t sell scripts about &#8220;Muslim terrorists,&#8221; but a celebrity death match between the Central Intelligence Agency and the person who stands second to the vice president in the line of succession to the White House [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDc5MWUzMmI5OThjZjdlNmI5NzE4MmRhMGRjMjU4Nzc=">David Kahane</a>, at National Review Online, finds fuel for the next box office blockbuster in some recent headline.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
[W]e still can&#8217;t sell scripts about &#8220;Muslim terrorists,&#8221; but a celebrity death match between the Central Intelligence Agency and the person who stands second to the vice president in the line of succession to the White House should any, you know, unfortunate accident befall the leader of the free world, is right up our alley. Which is why I was first off the mark last week when Nancy D&#8217;Alesandro Pelosi, the flower of Baltimore and the pride of San Francisco, accidentally pulled the pin on a live hand grenade in front of the fiercely independent Washington press corps and blew herself up.</p>

	<p>She wasn&#8217;t trying to, of course. She was trying to explain to a bunch of less-than-enchanted media stenographers who would rather be covering Michelle Obama&#8217;s workout, or even Bo the dog&#8217;s breakfast, that the nasty, un-American <span class="caps">CIA</span> has deliberately &#8220;misled&#8221; her when discussing just precisely how they were going to insert bamboo shoots under the fingernails of a caterpillar that they would then waterboard and introduce into the cell of some totally innocent mujahedin caught up in the lawless Bush-Cheney dragnet during the hysteria that followed the inside job that was 9/11 and . . .</p>

	<p>Zzzzzzzzzzzz.</p>

	<p>In the other corner we have the Central Intelligence Agency, which we in Tinseltown have been depicting for years as just about the most malevolent organization in the world, outside of the Catholic Church, the Club for Growth, and the Cheney family. In movie after movie, the shadowy <span class="caps">CIA</span> guy always wound up as the villain in the last reel. So imagine our surprise when, during the Bushitler interregnum, we discovered that the <span class="caps">CIA</span> is on our side, and has been for decades! Screwed up the whole Shah of Iran thing and opened the way for the mullahs? Check! Consistently overrated and then failed to forecast the sudden disintegration of the Soviet Union? Check!! Never did quite figure out what Osama bin Laden was up to? Check<img src="!" alt="" border="0" /></p>

	<p>To top it all off, along came super-top-secret agent/Vanity Fair babe Valerie Plame and her dashing, Graydon-Carter-tressed hubby, Joe Wilson, running a sting operation against the hapless Bush White House, whipsawing the president and the veep with Joe&#8217;s unprovoked New York Times tale of sipping mint tea with Colonel Kurtz up the Congo and all of sudden there&#8217;s shouting about the &#8220;sixteen words&#8221; in Chimpy&#8217;s State of the Union address and Valerie is outed by Cheney flunky Scooter Libby &#8212; okay, by Colin Powell flunky Dick Armitage, same thing &#8212; and then Judy Miller goes to jail and . . .</p>

	<p>Zzzzzzzzzzzz.</p>

	<p>[H]ere&#8217;s the script that just made me a cool $1.5 mil plus five monkey points plus two first-class tickets to the premiere: <strong>Three Days of the Dodo Bird</strong>.</p>

	<p>We open in Abu Ghraib prison, post-&#8220;Mission Accomplished,&#8221; where a <span class="caps">SHADOWY CIA AGENT</span> gets the bright idea to strike fear into the hearts of America&#8217;s &#8220;enemies&#8221; by photographing completely innocent prisoners in outrageous situations (piled naked on top of each other, led around on a dog leash by a woman, forced to wear panties on their heads) calculated to offend and inflame the sensibilities of the Religion of Peace. Now, you and I both know that these kinds of things happen every week at the right Hollywood parties, and they&#8217;re tons of fun, but for some weird cultural reason the photos are deemed offensive, the super-top-secret psy-war campaign winds up on the front page of the Times every day for a year, and the Shi&#8217;ites hit the fan.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Read the <a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDc5MWUzMmI5OThjZjdlNmI5NzE4MmRhMGRjMjU4Nzc=">whole thing</a>.</p>


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		<title>Pelosi Shot Herself in the Foot</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 11:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Noemie Emery, at the SF Chronicle, thinks the way Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s pious grandstanding over enhanced interrogation techniques backfired on her was pretty funny. It was always quite clear that liberals&#8217; efforts to wreak vengeance on President George W. Bush for his (successful) terror-war strategy would hurt Democrats more than it hurt him, but who ever [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/columns/noemie_emery/Heres-mud-in-your-eye-45455067.html">Noemie Emery</a>, at the <span class="caps">SF </span>Chronicle, thinks the way Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s pious grandstanding over enhanced interrogation techniques backfired on her was pretty funny.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
It was always quite clear that liberals&#8217; efforts to wreak vengeance on President George W. Bush for his (successful) terror-war strategy would hurt Democrats more than it hurt him, but who ever dreamed it would become quite so funny this fast?</p>

	<p>Minutes after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi gave her news conference on the subject of &#8220;torture,&#8221; she, and not Bush, was the issue and story; she was at war with the <span class="caps">CIA</span> and Director Leon Panetta; she was at war with House Whip Steney Hoyer, who wants to succeed her; and she had become a huge problem for President Barack Obama &#8212; or as he might say, a &#8220;distraction&#8221; &#8212; who had trouble enough trying to reconcile his rhetoric with the demands of his office, and his responsibilities to protect the country with the addled demands of his frenetic admirers. Not bad for a 25-minute presser. And this was just the first day.</p>

	<p>This knowledge that the Democratic leadership of the House and Senate had known of and approved at last tacitly the &#8220;harsh&#8221; techniques sanctioned by the Bush administration in the grim days after 9/11 was the more explosive on the heels of the news that many Bush-era tactics &#8212; detainment, rendition, Club Gitmo &#8212; were being endorsed by their president.</p>

	<p>The problem is that like the <span class="caps">CIA</span>, the entire government is now in the hands of the Democrats, who now have the job of protecting the country, not under past conditions, not under conditions they like to imagine, but conditions that really exist. The conditions that exist are those in which small groups of people, undeterred by threats or the prospect of dying, are able to inflict immense harm.</p>

	<p>Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack, but it took place thousands of miles from the mainland and was an assault on the Armed Forces. The 9/11 attacks were an assault on the mainland, on unarmed civilians who were going to work. In conditions like this, nice people from Chicago and Texas, who find themselves charged with protecting the lives of 300 million, may find themselves employing &#8220;enhanced information techniques&#8221; seldom used in the days of orthodox warfare.</p>

	<p>This may cost them the good will of the chattering classes of the East and West coasts and most cities in Europe, but, as Scrappleface puts it, &#8220;crashing hijacked planes into buildings full of noncombatant civilians is one of several &#8216;enhanced immolation techniques&#8217; forbidden under U.S. and international law.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Trying to square their need to trash Bush for his successful deterrence agenda with their need to escape blame if harm comes if his acts are reversed by their people, liberals react with the perfect lucidity that has long been their main trait. Eugene Robinson insists that because it can&#8217;t be proved beyond doubt that any technique used by the Bush administration stopped any specific attack from occurring, it proves beyond doubt that none did.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Read the <a href="http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/columns/noemie_emery/Heres-mud-in-your-eye-45455067.html">whole thing</a>.</p>


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		<title>&#8220;Nothing to Do with You, Spooks. I&#8217;m Only Bashing Bush.&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/05/17/nothing-to-do-with-you-spooks-im-only-bashing-bush/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stung by CIA rebuttals, Nancy Pelosi did her best to forstall more damage to herself by trying to assure CIA officers that they were not her targets. She was only continuing the left&#8217;s vendetta against George W. Bush and officials of his administration. So ease up, fellows. The Speaker is signaling that you&#8217;re safe and [...]]]></description>
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	<p>Stung by <span class="caps">CIA</span> rebuttals, <a href="http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tries-to-backpedal-on-cia-criticism-2009-05-16.html">Nancy Pelosi</a> did her best to forstall more damage to herself by trying to assure <span class="caps">CIA</span> officers that they were not her targets. She was only continuing the left&#8217;s vendetta against George W. Bush and officials of his administration.</p>

	<p>So ease up, fellows.  The Speaker is signaling that you&#8217;re safe and she is not sincere. It&#8217;s just politics.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has backed down slightly in her fight with the <span class="caps">CIA</span>, saying that she really meant only to criticize the Bush administration rather than career officials.</p>

	<p>&#8220;My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in the intelligence community who work to keep our country safe,&#8221; Pelosi said in a statement.</blockquote></p>


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		<title>Panetta Defends Agency; Speaker Under Fire</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Hill: CIA Director Leon Panetta challenged House Speaker Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s accusations that the agency lied to her, writing a memo to his agents saying she received nothing but the truth. Panetta said that &#8220;ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.&#8221; Pelosi (D-Calif.) [...]]]></description>
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	<p><a href="http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/cia-director-fires-back-at-pelosi-2009-05-15.html">The Hill</a>:</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
CIA Director Leon Panetta challenged House Speaker Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s accusations that the agency lied to her, writing a memo to his agents saying she received nothing but the truth.</p>

	<p>Panetta said that &#8220;ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Pelosi (D-Calif.) infuriated Republicans this week when she said in a news conference that she was &#8220;misled&#8221; by <span class="caps">CIA</span> officials during a briefing in 2002 about whether the U.S. was waterboarding alleged terrorist detainees.</p>

	<p>Panetta, President Obama&#8217;s pick to run the clandestine agency and President Clinton&#8217;s former chief of staff, wrote in a memo to <span class="caps">CIA</span> employees Friday that &#8220;CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing &#8216;the enhanced techniques that had been employed,&#8217;&#8221; according to <span class="caps">CIA</span> records.</p>

	<p>&#8220;We are an agency of high integrity, professionalism and dedication,&#8221; Panetta said in the memo. &#8220;Our task is to tell it like it is &#8212; even if that&#8217;s not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it.&#8221;</p>

	<p>In the pep talk-style memo titled &#8220;Turning Down the Volume,&#8221; Panetta encourages <span class="caps">CIA</span> employees to return to their normal business and not to be distracted by the shout-fest Pelosi&#8217;s remarks created.</p>

	<p>&#8220;My advice &#8212; indeed, my direction &#8212; to you is straightforward: Ignore the noise and stay focused on your mission,&#8221; Panetta wrote. &#8220;We have too much work to do to be distracted from our job of protecting this country.&#8221;</p>

	<p>In what may be the most critical moment of her speakership, Pelosi is under fire about what she knew of  the enhanced interrogation techniques used by the Bush administration and when she knew it.</p>

	<p>At the same news conference where she accused the <span class="caps">CIA</span> of misleading her on the topic, Pelosi acknowledged for the first time that she knew in 2003 that terrorism suspects were waterboarded. She said she learned that from an aide who sat in on a briefing in February 2003.</p>

	<p>For weeks, Pelosi had dodged questions about what she knew about waterboarding and when she knew it. Republicans have called her a hypocrite for criticizing techniques as &#8220;torture&#8221; when she tacitly agreed to the practices after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. At least one lawmaker &#8212; Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) &#8212; called on Pelosi  Friday to step down as Speaker.</blockquote></p>




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		<title>Nancy Pelosi, War Criminal</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark Steyn relishes the inconsistencies of the way democrats treat holding certain particular controversial positions differently depending on who it is that is holding them. Question: What does Dick Cheney think of waterboarding? He&#8217;s in favor of it. He was in favor of it then, he&#8217;s in favor of it now. He doesn&#8217;t think it&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=YmQ5ZTA3NDE2NjE3YTEyNjY3ZjJlNzQ2YzE1OWZkNjU=">Mark Steyn</a> relishes the inconsistencies of the way democrats treat holding certain particular controversial positions differently depending on who it is that is holding them.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
Question: What does Dick Cheney think of waterboarding?</p>

	<p>He&#8217;s in favor of it. He was in favor of it then, he&#8217;s in favor of it now. He doesn&#8217;t think it&#8217;s torture, and he supports having it on the books as a vital option. On his recent TV appearances, he sometimes gives the impression he would not be entirely averse to performing a demonstration on his interviewers, but generally he believes its use should be a tad more circumscribed. He is entirely consistent.</p>

	<p>Question: What does Nancy Pelosi think of waterboarding?</p>

	<p>No, I mean really. Away from the cameras, away from the Capitol, in the deepest recesses of her (if she&#8217;ll forgive my naivete) soul. Sitting on a mountaintop, contemplating the distant horizon, chewing thoughtfully on a cranberry-almond granola bar, what does she truly believe about waterboarding?</p>

	<p>Does she support it? Well, according to the <span class="caps">CIA</span>, she did way back when, over six years ago.</p>

	<p>Does she oppose it? According to Speaker Pelosi, yes. In her varying accounts, she&#8217;s (a) accused the <span class="caps">CIA</span> of consciously &#8220;misleading the Congress of the United States&#8221; as to what they were doing; (b) admitted to having been briefed that waterboarding was in the playbook but that &#8220;we were not &#8212; I repeat &#8212; were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used&#8221;; (c) belatedly conceded that she&#8217;d known back in February 2003 that waterboarding was being used but had been apprised of the fact by &#8220;a member of my staff.&#8221; As she said on Thursday, instead of doing anything about it, she decided to focus on getting more Democrats elected to the House.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that, by most if not all of her multiple accounts, Nancy Pelosi is as guilty of torture as anybody else. That&#8217;s not an airy rhetorical flourish but a statement of law. As National Review&#8217;s Andy McCarthy points out, under Section 2340A&#169; of the relevant statute, a person who conspires to torture is subject to the same penalties as the actual torturer. Once Speaker Pelosi was informed that waterboarding was part of the plan and that it was actually being used, she was in on the conspiracy, and as up to her neck in it as whoever it was who was actually sticking it to poor old Abu Zubaydah and the other blameless lads.</p>

	<p>That is, if you believe waterboarding is &#8220;torture.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s torture. Nor does Dick Cheney. But Nancy Pelosi does. Or so she has said, latterly.</p>

	<p>Alarmed by her erratic public performance, the speaker&#8217;s fellow San Francisco Democrat Dianne Feinstein attempted to put an end to Nancy&#8217;s self-torture session. &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to make an apology for anybody,&#8221; said Senator Feinstein, &#8220;but in 2002, it wasn&#8217;t 2006, &#8217;07, &#8217;08, or &#8217;09. It was right after 9/11, and there were in fact discussions about a second wave of attacks.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Indeed. In effect, the senator is saying waterboarding was acceptable in 2002, but not by 2009. The waterboarding didn&#8217;t change, but the country did. It was no longer America&#8217;s war but Bush&#8217;s war. And it was no longer a bipartisan interrogation technique that enjoyed the explicit approval of both parties&#8217; leaderships, but a grubby Bush-Cheney-Rummy war crime.</p>

	<p>Dianne Feinstein has provided the least worst explanation for her colleague&#8217;s behavior. The alternative &#8212; that Speaker Pelosi is a contemptible opportunist hack playing the cheapest but most destructive kind of politics with key elements of national security &#8212; is, of course, unthinkable. Senator Feinstein says airily that no reasonable person would hold dear Nancy to account for what she supported all those years ago. But it&#8217;s okay to hold Cheney or some no-name Justice Department backroom boy to account?</p>

	<p>Well, sure. It&#8217;s the Miss <span class="caps">USA</span> standard of political integrity: Carrie Prejean and Barack Obama have the same publicly stated views on gay marriage. But the politically correct enforcers know that Barack doesn&#8217;t mean it, so that&#8217;s okay, whereas Carrie does, so that&#8217;s a hate crime. In the torture debate, Pelosi is Obama and Dick Cheney is Carrie Prejean. Dick means it, because to him this is an issue of national security. Nancy doesn&#8217;t, because to her it&#8217;s about the shifting breezes of political viability.</p>

	<p>But it does make you wonder whether a superpower with this kind of leadership class should really be going to war at all. </blockquote></p>




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		<title>A Debate Which Should Never Have Occurred</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 12:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Morning rejoinder on enhanced interrogation to an email list: The contemporary intelligentsia, existing in a historical void and devoted to extravagant and conspicuous moral posturing, obviously will not countenance any (publicly-debated) form of coercive interrogation. The real answer is not to involve countless numbers of spoiled, pampered haute bourgeois Americans in these kinds of life [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>Morning rejoinder on enhanced interrogation to an email list:</em></p>

	<p>The contemporary intelligentsia, existing in a historical void and devoted to extravagant and conspicuous moral posturing, obviously will not countenance any (publicly-debated) form of coercive interrogation. The real answer is not to involve countless numbers of spoiled, pampered <em>haute bourgeois</em> Americans in these kinds of life and death decisions.</p>

	<p>It is not America&#8217;s old lady cat lovers, her pansy leftwing bloggers, her Ethical Culture Society members, or her nice idealistic young coeds who have the knowledge, perspective, experience, and fortitude required to decide what is necessary to protect the lives of American civilians from terrorist plots and American soldiers in the field from primitive bloodthirsty fanatics.  These kinds of decisions should be made in secret by the necessary rough men willing and able to do what needs to be done to allow the ethically concerned at home to sleep safe in their beds.</p>

	<p>The great torture debate is just an anti-Bush Administration propaganda campaign which has successfully set off a grand series of echoes in the empty heads of our chattering classes.  There has always been coercive interrogation. There will always be coercive interrogation when lives and the outcome of wars is at stake.</p>

	<p>Sympathy for the likes of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who sawed off Daniel Pearl&#8217;s head with a dull knife and who played a principal planning role in the 9/11 attacks which very cruelly killed more than 3000 innocent American civilians, is absurd.  He is a foreign enemy, an unlawful combatant, a systematic violator of every form of law and all the rules and customs of war, and a mass murderer.  There is something seriously wrong with the moral outlook of people who have a problem with slapping him in the face, pouring water on his head, or frightening him into divulging information on his schemes and accomplices necessary to prevent further mass attacks.</p>

	<p>Happily, now that the Obama Administration has eliminated any form of &#8220;enhanced&#8221; interrogation, we can console ourselves that the result will be no terrorist prisoners being taken, since they will have no value as information sources. And the philosopher can reflect that, if the result of our new, more edifying intelligence policies proves to be renewed successful attacks on US urban centers, well, those are the locations filled with sanctimonious democrat voters, aren&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>Pelosi Escalates War With CIA</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 12:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Washington Post provides sideline commentary on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s surprising decision to reiterate her claims that the CIA did not brief her on enhanced interrogation techniques, climbing further out on her own personal limb and handing irritated spooks in Langley a saw. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s extraordinary accusation that the Bush administration lied [...]]]></description>
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	<p>The <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/14/AR2009051404240.html">Washington Post</a> provides sideline commentary on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s surprising decision to reiterate her claims that the <span class="caps">CIA</span> did not brief her on enhanced interrogation techniques, climbing further out on her own personal limb and handing irritated spooks in Langley a saw.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s extraordinary accusation that the Bush administration lied to Congress about the use of harsh interrogation techniques dramatically raised the stakes in the growing debate over the Bush administration&#8217;s anti-terrorism policies even as it raised some questions about the speaker&#8217;s credibility.</p>

	<p>Pelosi&#8217;s performance in the Capitol was either a calculated escalation of a long-running feud with the Bush administration or a reckless act by a politician whose word had been called into question. Perhaps it was both.</p>

	<p>For the first time, Pelosi (D-Calif.) acknowledged that in 2003 she was informed by an aide that the <span class="caps">CIA</span> had told others in Congress that officials had used waterboarding during interrogations. But she insisted, contrary to <span class="caps">CIA</span> accounts, that she was not told about waterboarding during a September 2002 briefing by agency officials. Asked whether she was accusing the <span class="caps">CIA</span> of lying, she replied, &#8220;Yes, misleading the Congress of the United States.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Washington now is engaged in a battle royal of finger-pointing, second-guessing and self-defense, all over techniques President Obama banned in the first days of his administration. Both sides in this debate believe they have something to prove&#8212;and gain&#8212;by keeping the fight alive. </blockquote><br />
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The much more conservative <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/15/pelosi-smears-the-cia/">Washington Times</a> essentially invites the <span class="caps">CIA</span> to leak some more and saw off the Speaker&#8217;s limb.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi drew a line in the sand at her news conference yesterday. In her bluntest language yet, she said she was never briefed about detainee waterboarding and accused the <span class="caps">CIA</span> of misleading Congress. Time will tell who is misleading whom.</p>

	<p>Mrs. Pelosi&#8217;s carefully worded prepared statement admitted that in September 2002 the <span class="caps">CIA</span> briefed her on &#8220;some enhanced interrogation techniques,&#8221; known in some quarters as torture. She did not specify whether the briefers said the techniques were being used but noted that only waterboarding was singled out as not being used.</p>

	<p>This new take is interesting. On the Feb. 25 &#8220;Rachel Maddow Show,&#8221; Mrs. Pelosi stated, &#8220;I can say, flat out, they never told us that these enhancement interrogations were being used &#8230; . They did not brief us with these enhanced interrogations that were taking place. They did not brief us.&#8221; Although this seems to contradict her current version of events, there is enough ambiguity in yesterday&#8217;s statement to leave the question open. Perhaps that was the speaker&#8217;s intention.</p>

	<p>The confusion, she says, is the <span class="caps">CIA</span>&#8217;s fault. &#8220;The <span class="caps">CIA</span> was misleading the Congress,&#8221; she declared. However, one member of the intelligence community told The Washington Times that Mrs. Pelosi was &#8220;playing with fire.&#8221; The <span class="caps">CIA</span> will have saved documents that prove the case either way. &#8220;They know better after Iraq,&#8221; our source said. &#8220;They&#8217;re smarter than that now. All that stuff is saved. Nobody&#8217;s stupid.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Mrs. Pelosi&#8217;s shifting story line is disturbing. She has accused the <span class="caps">CIA</span> of misleading Congress, but her full public record of statements on this issue seems misleading at best. She states that she &#8220;takes very seriously&#8221; her oath not to release classified information, but as we editorialized April 28, the cloak of government secrecy exists to protect agents who defend the United States, not to shield members of Congress from public inquiries about their records. </blockquote></p>


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		<title>Leftwing Dems Whine: &#8220;CIA Is Out To Get Us&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[George W. Bush may have been a bit of an idiot to allow liberal elements of the Intelligence Community to damage his administration with leaks of high-level national security information and the Plamegame disinformation operation, but one does have to admire the fact that Bush scrupulously followed what he (I think erroneously) believed to be [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>George W. Bush may have been a bit of an idiot to allow liberal elements of the Intelligence Community to damage his administration with leaks of high-level national security information and the Plamegame disinformation operation, but one does have to admire the fact that Bush scrupulously followed what he (I think erroneously) believed to be the rules and never whined about what his opponents were doing to him.</p>

	<p>The <span class="caps">CIA</span> had a lot better reason to do some leaking this time: to correct the historical record after Barack Obama and congressional democrats chose to use counter-terrorism interrogations as an alleged atrocity useful for indicting their Republican predecessors.</p>

	<p>But the spooks are not playing with gentlemanly George W. Bush this time.  Demonstrate that Nancy Pelosi was lying her head off, and out come the democrat senatorial thugs to cry foul.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22439.html">The Politico</a> has the story.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
Democrats charged Tuesday that the <span class="caps">CIA</span> has released documents about congressional briefings on harsh interrogation techniques in order to deflect attention and blame away from itself.</p>

	<p>&#8220;I think there is so much embarrassment in some quarters [of the <span class="caps">CIA</span>] that people are going to try to shift some of the responsibility to others &#8212; that&#8217;s what I think,&#8221; said Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), who sat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and was briefed on interrogation techniques five times between 2006 and 2007.</p>

	<p>Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, said he finds it &#8220;interesting&#8221; that a document detailing congressional briefings was released just as &#8220;some of the groups that have been responsible for these interrogation techniques were taking the most criticism.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Asked whether the <span class="caps">CIA</span> was seeking political cover by releasing the documents, Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said: &#8220;Sure it is.&#8221;</blockquote></p>



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		<title>CIA Assists Speaker With Memory Problem</title>
		<link>http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/05/08/cia-assists-speaker-with-memory-problem/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 11:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Poor Nancy Pelosi is confused about having been briefed on EIT Wasn&#8217;t it kind of the CIA to help her out by leaking to ABC News? House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was briefed on the use of &#8220;enhanced interrogation techniques&#8221; on terrorist suspect Abu Zubaydah in September 2002, according to a report prepared by the Director [...]]]></description>
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<strong>Poor Nancy Pelosi is confused about having been briefed on <span class="caps">EIT</span></strong></p>

	<p>Wasn&#8217;t it kind of the <span class="caps">CIA</span> to help her out by leaking to <a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/05/intelligence-re.html"><span class="caps">ABC </span>News</a>?</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was briefed on the use of &#8220;enhanced interrogation techniques&#8221; on terrorist suspect Abu Zubaydah in September 2002, according to a report prepared by the Director of National Intelligence&#8217;s office and obtained by <span class="caps">ABC </span>News.</p>

	<p>The report, submitted to the Senate Intelligence Committee and other Capitol Hill officials Wednesday, appears to contradict Pelosi&#8217;s statement last month that she was never told about the use of waterboarding or other special interrogation tactics. Instead, she has said, she was told only that the Bush administration had legal opinions that would have supported the use of such techniques.</p>

	<p>The report details a Sept. 4, 2002 meeting between intelligence officials and Pelosi, then-House intelligence committee chairman Porter Goss, and two aides. At the time, Pelosi was the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee.</p>

	<p>The meeting is described as a &#8220;Briefing on EITs including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah, background on authorities, and a description of particular EITs that had been employed.&#8221;</p>

	<p>EITs stand for &#8220;enhanced interrogation techniques,&#8221; a classification of special interrogation tactics that includes waterboarding.</p>

	<p>Pelosi, D-Calif., sharply disputed suggestions last month that she had been told about waterboarding having taken place.</p>

	<p>&#8220;In that or any other briefing . . . we were not, and I repeat, were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation techniques were used,&#8221; Pelosi said at a news conference in April. &#8220;What they did tell us is that they had some legislative counsel. . . opinions that they could be used, but not that they would.&#8221;  </blockquote></p>




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		<title>Spooks Not Happy With Obama</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 11:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[They had a lot to do with bringing down George W. Bush. Jack Kelly wonders if Obama has not recently made the wrong enemies. Has Barack Obama made an enemy who can sabotage his presidency? The presidency of George W. Bush began to unravel when some in high positions at the Central Intelligence Agency began [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>They had a lot to do with bringing down George W. Bush. <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/05/05/the_cias_fight_with_obama_96333.html">Jack Kelly</a> wonders if Obama has not recently made the wrong enemies.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
Has Barack Obama made an enemy who can sabotage his presidency?</p>

	<p>The presidency of George W. Bush began to unravel when some in high positions at the Central Intelligence Agency began waging a covert campaign against him.</p>

	<p>It began in the summer of 2003 when officials at the <span class="caps">CIA</span> asked the Justice department to open a criminal investigation into who had disclosed to columnist Robert Novak that Valerie Plame, wife of controversial former diplomat Joseph Wilson, worked at the <span class="caps">CIA</span>.</p>

	<p>The officials knew at the time the Intelligence Identities Protection Act did not apply to Ms. Plame, who&#8217;d been out of the field for more than five years.</p>

	<p>Another blow was struck with the publication in 2004 of the book &#8220;Imperial Hubris&#8221; by Michael Scheuer, who&#8217;d headed the bin Laden desk during the Clinton administration. It was harshly critical of the Bush administration&#8217;s conduct of the war on terror in general, and the invasion of Iraq in particular.</p>

	<p>Never before had a serving officer been allowed to publish such a book.</p>

	<p>The <span class="caps">CIA</span> typically slow-rolled and censored books even by retired <span class="caps">CIA</span> directors.</p>

	<p>&#8220;Why did the <span class="caps">CIA</span> allow such a controversial book to be published in the first place?&#8221; asked attorney Mark Zaid, who specializes in national security law. &#8220;There is simply no question that the <span class="caps">CIA</span> could have prevented the publication of Scheuer&#8217;s book if it had wanted to do so. And no court would have sided with him.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Why would some at the <span class="caps">CIA</span> want to sabotage President Bush? One motive might have been to deflect blame for intelligence failures. The <span class="caps">CIA</span> confidently had predicted Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction. But none were found. The tactical intelligence the <span class="caps">CIA</span> provided to the U.S. military forces invading Iraq proved nearly worthless. And the <span class="caps">CIA</span> was caught flat-footed by the insurgency that developed several months after Saddam&#8217;s fall.</p>

	<p>There may have been a simpler motive. The novelist Charles McCarry was a deep cover <span class="caps">CIA</span> operative for ten years. &#8220;I never met a stupid person in the agency,&#8221; he said in a 2004 interview. &#8220;Or an assassin. Or a Republican.&#8221;</p>

	<p>The <span class="caps">CIA</span>&#8217;s war against President Bush was motivated by ass covering, or by political partisanship. But with President Obama, it&#8217;s personal.</blockquote></p>


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		<title>We&#8217;re Better Than That, Even If They Blow Us Up, So There!</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 11:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The inimitable Frank J. Fleming summarizes the liberal establishment position of moral superiority on coercive interrogation. If the CIA torture memos tell us anything, it&#8217;s that Americans still have a long way to go towards civility. When disenfranchised youths flew planes into buildings, it should have been a time of quiet introspection. Instead, Americans gave [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The inimitable <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-superior-moral-position-on-torture/?print=1">Frank J. Fleming</a> summarizes the liberal establishment position of moral superiority on coercive interrogation.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
If the <span class="caps">CIA</span> torture memos tell us anything, it&#8217;s that Americans still have a long way to go towards civility. When disenfranchised youths flew planes into buildings, it should have been a time of quiet introspection. Instead, Americans gave into baser emotions and demanded vengeance against our &#8220;attackers.&#8221; Since we had the barbaric Bush administration in charge, they gave into those demands and soon loosed the sadistic Cheney, who took a break from blasting his friends in the face with a shotgun to turn his violence on foreign minorities. Pretty soon our intelligence agencies had grabbed some random Arab terrorist masterminds off the street and started inconveniencing them, making them uncomfortable, and &#8212; dare I say it &#8212; torturing them.</p>

	<p>And now we are no better than they are. Less better even.</p>

	<p>A civilized nation should never torture. Period. Ever, for any reason. No matter how many lives are at stake. It always just reduces us to animals that thirst for the pain of others. We say we want it to stop &#8220;terrorists&#8221; from killing us, but if in the process we murder our own humanity, what&#8217;s the point? And anyway, torture doesn&#8217;t work. I don&#8217;t care what basic logic or common sense or history tells you. It never works. Ever. That&#8217;s what studies say. Scientific ones where, to test the efficacy, they tortured monkeys to see if they could get the monkeys to talk, and none of them ever did. So with that issue settled, for what other reason could we be seeking torture but inhuman sadistic pleasure?</p>

	<p>Yes, some are claiming that the torturing of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed saved thousands of people from a plot to blow up the Library Tower in Los Angeles, but that&#8217;s ridiculous. First of all, if they really got useful information, then they obviously didn&#8217;t use torture because it&#8217;s a well-known fact that torture doesn&#8217;t work (remember the studies I mentioned). But they claimed they used waterboarding, which they say is not torture but we all know is totally torture. I mean, they hold someone down and pour water &#8212; real water &#8212; on his face; try that on a cat and see if it acts like that isn&#8217;t torture. Thus, since waterboarding is torture, it obviously didn&#8217;t cause <span class="caps">KSM</span> to give up information because torture doesn&#8217;t work. Thus, he must have given up the information for reasons completely unrelated to the waterboarding.</p>

	<p>Now look at what we (and by we, I mean you, because I&#8217;m not a part of this) have become. Torturers. And what did we gain? Information on a terror plot that was probably never going to happen in the first place. And even if it was going to happen, it&#8217;s not like thousands of people don&#8217;t die in LA every year anyway. Plus, &#8220;Library Tower&#8221; isn&#8217;t actually a library. So we gained nothing, and we debased ourselves by becoming nothing more than common Cheneys. Just because someone masterminded a plot that killed thousands doesn&#8217;t make it right to pour water on him.</p>

	<p>So I hope your bloodthirst has been quenched, you mindless barbarians. You may say Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is &#8220;evil,&#8221; but then I ask, &#8220;Who is holding whom hostage and pouring water on his face?&#8221; No wonder the rest of the world looks at us and sees who the real terrorists are. This is what our torture has done to us. And I weep.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Read the <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-superior-moral-position-on-torture/?print=1">whole thing</a>.</p>


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		<title>Begala is Wrong</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul Begala, at Huffington Post, thinks he&#8217;s very clever in quoting the not-clever-at-all John McCain who is also completely wrong. In a CNN debate with Ari Fleischer, I said the United States executed Japanese war criminals for waterboarding. My point was that it is disingenuous for Bush Republicans to argue that waterboarding is not torture [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-begala/yes-inational-reviewi-we_b_191153.html">Paul Begala</a>, at Huffington Post, thinks he&#8217;s very clever in quoting the not-clever-at-all John McCain who is also completely wrong.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
In a <span class="caps">CNN</span> debate with Ari Fleischer, I said the United States executed Japanese war criminals for waterboarding. My point was that it is disingenuous for Bush Republicans to argue that waterboarding is not torture and thus illegal. It&#8217;s kind of awkward to argue that waterboarding is not a crime when you hanged someone for doing it to our troops. My precise words were: &#8220;Our country executed Japanese soldiers who waterboarded American POWs. We executed them for the same crime we are now committing ourselves.&#8221; ...</p>

	<p>I was referencing the statement of a different member of the Senate: John McCain. On November 29, 2007, Sen. McCain, while campaigning in St. Petersburg, Florida, said, &#8220;Following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Sen. McCain was right and the National Review Online is wrong. Politifact, the St. Petersburg Times&#8217; truth-testing project (which this week was awarded a Pulitzer Prize), scrutinized Sen. McCain&#8217;s statement and found it to be true. Here&#8217;s the money quote from <a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/dec/18/john-mccain/history-supports-mccains-stance-on-waterboarding/">Politifact</a>:</p>

	<p><ol></p>
	<p>&#8220;McCain is referencing the Tokyo Trials, officially known as the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. After World War II, an international coalition convened to prosecute Japanese soldiers charged with torture. At the top of the list of techniques was water-based interrogation, known variously then as &#8216;water cure,&#8217; &#8216;water torture&#8217; and &#8216;waterboarding,&#8217; according to the charging documents. It simulates drowning.&#8221; Politifact went on to report, &#8220;A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps.&#8221;</ol></p>
	<p></blockquote></p>

	<p>Actually, murders, massacres, and death marches head the International Military Tribunal for the Far East&#8217;s list of war crimes, and the use of water simply happens to the first item addressed in a subsequent heading titled &#8220;Torture and Other Inhumane Treatment.&#8221; Since burning, flogging, strappado, and pulling out finger and toe nails are mentioned after the &#8220;water cure,&#8221; it is far from obvious that the authors of the Tribunal&#8217;s list of war crimes were intending to rank it as more inhumane than the others.</p>

	<p>Politifact&#8217;s anonymous authorities (drawn from presumably the staffs of the St. Petersburg Times and the Congressional Quarterly which created Politifact as a <a href="International Military Tribunal for the Far East">joint venture</a>) are betraying their own liberal journalist prejudices and manipulating the available data to suit their own preferences.</p>

	<p>They, and Paul Begala and John McCain, are most particularly and obviously in error in equating the Japanese &#8220;water cure&#8221; torture with US water-boarding.</p>

	<p>In the &#8220;water cure,&#8221; according to the Tribunal&#8217;s war crimes description, <strong>[t]he victim was bound or otherwise secured in a prone position; and water was forced through his mouth and nostrils into his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness. Pressure was then applied, sometimes by jumping upon his abdomen to force the water out. The usual practice was to revive the victim and successively repeat the process.</strong></p>

	<p>The Tribunal does not mention it, but historically the &#8220;water cure&#8221; torture technique was often performed with sufficient brutality that internal organs would be ruptured with fatal results, or merely performed excessively to the point where the victim&#8217;s body&#8217;s electrolyte balance was fatally compromised, producing death by &#8220;water intoxication.&#8221;</p>

	<p>In the &#8220;water-cure,&#8221; the victim&#8217;s mouth is forced open, and enormous quantities of water are poured down his throat. If he fails to swallow any of the rapidly-poured water, it goes into his lungs and he really does experience drowning.</p>

	<p>In the US-government-authorized water-boarding of three mass murderers, a cloth or cellophane barrier was placed over the criminal&#8217;s face and water poured on it for intervals of 10 to 40 seconds. Water was specifically prevented from entering the subject&#8217;s respiratory system.</p>

	<p>Elaborate and carefully calculated protocols had been laid down, in precisely the opposite manner of the Japanese case, 1) confining the use of such comparatively harsh interrogation techniques to a tiny number of extremely guilty terrorists likely to possess extremely vital information on major threats to the lives of many thousands of innocent American civilians, and 2) assuring that no real lasting physical or mental harm was ever actually inflicted on the three major terrorist prisoners.</p>

	<p>Those are extremely significant differences, Mr. Begala.</p>

	<p>Beyond that, Begala, Politifact, and even Senator McCain overlook another very important consideration: the laws and customs of war.</p>

	<p>We punished the defeated Japanese after <span class="caps">WWII</span>, and US troops commonly punished Japanese encountered in the field by offering no quarter, for Japanese disregard of the civilized European world&#8217;s military customs of avoiding the practice of perfidy (i.e. not falsely surrendering and then opening fire, not wearing the wrong uniform, and so on) and according prisoners of war honorable status and treating them humanely.</p>

	<p>We do not owe Al Qaeda terrorists prisoner of war status. We do not, in fact, owe them, by the conventional laws and customs of war, anything beyond summary execution following drumhead courts martial at the pleasure of the officer in immediate authority. United States military forces, in fact, would by traditional standards not only possess every right to extract forcibly by any measures necessary any and all information necessary to preserve innocent life, they would have a grave obligation to do so.</p>

	<p>It is the Al Qaeda terrorists who, like the Japanese in <span class="caps">WWII</span>, reject the civilized world&#8217;s customs of limiting behavior in war. And, as we punished the Japanese during and after <span class="caps">WWII</span> for failing to adopt our customs, we ought to be punishing Al Qaeda terrorists the same way for the same reasons. That is how the laws and customs of war are enforced.</p>

	<p>Terrorist prisoners, in their capacity as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostis_humani_generis">hostis humani generis</a>, by the conventional laws and customs of war for thousands of years, are entitled to nothing whatsoever in the form of rights, judicial proceeding, or sympathy.  They deserve absolutely nothing other than execution by some harsh method particularly expressive of contumely like hanging.</p>









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		<description><![CDATA[Torture [adopted from the French torture (12th century Dictionnaire g&#233;n&#233;ral de la langue fran&#231;ais Hatzfeld &#38; Darmesteter, 1890-1900), adaptation of Latin tortura twisting, wreathing, torment, torture; from torquēre, tort- to twist, to torment] 1. The infliction of excruciating pain, as practised by cruel tyrants, savages, brigands, etc. from a delight in watching the agony of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>Torture</p>

	<p>[adopted from the French <em>torture</em> (12th century <em>Dictionnaire g&#233;n&#233;ral de la langue fran&#231;ais</em> Hatzfeld &#38; Darmesteter, 1890-1900), adaptation of Latin <em>tortura</em> twisting, wreathing, torment, torture; from <em>torquēre, tort-</em> to twist, to torment]</p>

	<p>1. The infliction of excruciating pain, as practised by cruel tyrants, savages, brigands, etc. from a delight in watching the agony of a victim, in hatred or revenge, or as a means of extortion; specifically <em>judicial torture</em>, inflicted by a judicial or quasi-judicial authority, for the purpose of forcing an accused or suspected person to confess, or an unwilling witness to to give evidence or information; a form of this (often in plural). <em>To put to (the) torture,</em> to inflict torture upon, to torture. ...</p>

	<p></strong><em>historical examples of usage omitted</em></p>

	<p><strong>2. Severe or excruciating pain or suffering of mind or body; anguish, agony, torment; the infliction of such. ...</strong></p>

	<p><em>figurative meanings omitted</em></p>

	<p><strong>&#8212;Oxford English Dictionary, 1971, p. 3357.</strong><br />
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	<p>The left has loudly and persistently accused the Bush Administration of violating International Law, the <span class="caps">US </span>Constitution, the Geneva Convention, and conventional standards of human decency by torturing detainees.</p>

	<p>These accusations have been advanced by a large variety of allied voices at every level of print and electronic publication employing  the same inflammatory characterizations, the same reliance on preassumed conclusions, and the same intimidating tone of exaggerated emotionalism.</p>

	<p>The left&#8217;s punditocracy naturally avoids ever questioning whether modest forms of coercion, such as waterboarding, slaps to the face or abdomen, sleep deprivation, and deliberately-caused temperature discomfort, etc., <em>carefully and deliberately calculated to stop short of inflicting any enduring harm to the subject</em>, actually do rise to the level of meeting the normal (non-figurative) definition of torture.</p>

	<p>A slap to the face may be painful, humiliating, and unpleasant, but it is really &#8220;excruciating&#8221; or &#8220;severe?&#8221; Most of us (of the older generation, at least) actually have been slapped in the face in childhood by other children and even by adults.  My elementary school principal did not like an angry letter to the editor about her school policies I had composed in the 8th grade and slapped me across the face. I can&#8217;t say that I ever thought of myself as a torture victim or an appropriate case for an investigation by some International Committee on Human Rights.</p>

	<p>When I read over the list of coercive measures sanctioned by the Bush Administration for use in extracting information from only three of the most important participants in a conspiracy which brought about the violent deaths of more than 3000 innocent American civilians and which was actively in the process attempting further such attacks on an even greater scale, most of them remind me of the ordinary cruelties inflicted on small children commonly by schoolyard bullies.</p>

	<p>Waterboarding amounts to the victim being briefly deprived of breath by facial immersion in an attempt to use fear of drowning to compel cooperation.  Is there really anyone in America who didn&#8217;t have his or her head held underwater at least once by a larger bully or childhood playmate?</p>

	<p>Abu Zubaydah was placed by <span class="caps">CIA</span> interrogators into close propinquity with a caterpillar.  I&#8217;m afraid that when I search my own conscience I can recall dropping a caterpillar down the back of at least one female classmate back in the third grade myself.</p>

	<p>The controversial coercive interrogation methods were employed by the Bush Administration against, we must remember, only three spectacularly guilty murderers whose hands were dripping with innocent blood, and were clearly not excruciating.  They were capable of, and intended to, induce discomfort, probably even anguish, but not agony.</p>

	<p>Severe is a relative term, I suppose. But, in the context of forcible interrogation, surely a severe form of coercion would be a practice capable of producing permanent injury or death.</p>

	<p>What traditionally defined real torture, more specifically than the <span class="caps">OED</span>&#8217;s definition, was the permanence of the result. Someone would not be refered to as &#8220;tortured,&#8221; who had been beaten up or simply slapped around. A person referred to as having been tortured would have to have suffered, at the very least, lasting serious injury.</p>

	<p>Torture has always conceptually involved pieces of one&#8217;s anatomy being cut or burned, fingernails pulled out, bones broken, and joints dislocated.  Having your head dunked or your face slapped or being confronted by a caterpillar may be unpleasant, but only in the context of figurative speech is it torture.</p>

	<p>A common perspective on the subject is that real torture has to include an ultimate threat of ending with death.  The audience finds credible this viewpoint as illustrated in the 1941 John Huston film version of <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033870/">The Maltese Falcon</a>.</p>

	<p>Sam Spade finding himself unarmed in the presence of Caspar Guttman and his criminal allies successfully defies threats of torture because his adversaries can&#8217;t afford to kill him.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
<strong>Joel Cairo</strong>: You seem to forget that you are not in a position to insist upon anything.</p>

	<p><strong>Caspar Cuttman</strong>:  Now, come, gentlemen. Let&#8217;s keep our discussion on a friendly basis.</p>

	<p>There certainly is something in what Mr. Cairo said&#8230;</p>

	<p><strong>Sam Spade</strong>: If you kill me, how are you gonna get the bird? If I know you can&#8217;t afford to kill me, how&#8217;ll you scare me into giving it to you?</p>

	<p><strong>Caspar Guttman</strong>: Sir, there are other means of persuasion besides killing and threatening to kill.</p>

	<p><strong>Sam Spade</strong>: Yes, that&#8217;s&#8230;That&#8217;s true. But none of them are any good unless the threat of death is behind them.</p>

	<p>You see what I mean?</p>

	<p>If you start something, I&#8217;ll make it a matter of your having to kill me or call it off.</p>

	<p><strong>Caspar Guttman</strong>: That&#8217;s an attitude, sir, that calls for the most delicate judgement on both sides.  Because, as you know, in the heat of action, men are likely to forget where their best interests lie, and let their emotions carry them away.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Look at the first definition again. The coercive tactics employed by the Bush Administration did not produce &#8220;excruciating pain.&#8221;  The <span class="caps">US </span>Administration was not a cruel tyranny (whatever the infantile left may chose to think). Our intelligence officers were not savages or brigands, though the three interrogation subjects certainly were.  The discomforts inflicted on the three interrogation subjects were not done out of hatred or revenge, but to protect innocent lives.  The only small portion of the Oxford Dictionary&#8217;s definition which fits is the purpose of causing unwilling witnesses to provide information.  But that is only a descriptive portion of the definition, and the vital and key &#8220;excruciating pain&#8221; element of the definition is completely missing.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">QED</span>: The coercive tactics employed by the Bush Administration against three Al Qaeda detainees were not torture, not by the best dictionary definition of the word, and not by our conventional &#8220;ordinary language&#8221; understanding of the meaning of the word.</p>


















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		<title>Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Subjected to 183 Drops of Water in March 2003</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would you waterboard this worthy oriental gentleman? Marcy Wheeler, who posts as &#8220;emptywheel&#8221; over at leftwing FireDogLake, last Saturday topped the Internet headlines blogging about a detail she read in the May 30, 2005 Brabury Memo: Poor little Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in March 2003. All over Europe and America the hearts [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><img src="http://neveryetmelted.com/wp-images/Khalid.jpg" alt="" /><br />
<strong>Would you waterboard this worthy oriental gentleman?</strong></p>

	<p><a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/18/khalid-sheikh-mohammed-was-waterboarded-183-times-in-one-month/">Marcy Wheeler</a>, who posts as &#8220;emptywheel&#8221; over at leftwing FireDogLake, last Saturday topped the Internet headlines blogging about a detail she read in the <a href="http://72.3.233.244/pdfs/safefree/olc_05102005_bradbury46pg.pdf">May 30, 2005 Brabury Memo</a>: Poor little <strong>Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in March 2003</strong>.</p>

	<p>All over Europe and America the hearts of the <em>bien pensant</em> community stirred with outrage at the thought of just how pruney and wrinkled poor <span class="caps">KSM</span> must have been after so much immersion back during that dreadful March.</p>

	<p>Well, it turns out that Marcy Wheeler&#8217;s <em>agita</em> was derived from a basic misunderstanding.</p>

	<p>Inside anonymous sources leaked (as it were) an explanation of the basis of that 180-plus figure to NR&#8217;s <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTJjNjg1OThmOTVlMWVmYTZiM2Q5ZGU5NzdjY2E0ODQ=">Cliff May</a>:</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
According to two sources, both of them very well-informed and reliable (but preferring to remain anonymous), the 180-plus times refers not to sessions of waterboarding, but to &#8220;pours&#8221; &#8212; that is, to instances of water being poured on the subject.</p>

	<p>Under a strict set of rules, every pour of water had to be counted &#8212; and the number of pours was limited.</p>

	<p>Also: Waterboarding interrogation sessions were permitted on no more than five days within any 30-day period.</p>

	<p>No more than two sessions were permitted in any 24-hour period.</p>

	<p>A session could last no longer than two hours.</p>

	<p>There could be at most six pours of water lasting ten seconds or longer &#8212; and never longer than 40 seconds &#8212; during any individual session.</p>

	<p>Water could be poured on a subject for a combined total of no more than 12 minutes during any 24 hour period.</p>

	<p>You do the math.</blockquote></p>

	<p>It&#8217;s as if censorious Marcy Wheeler had accused my old drinking buddy Pat of having downed 183 beers the previous evening, and Pat assured her that he&#8217;d been dieting and confined himself to only 183 sips.</p>







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		<title>&#8220;Like a Car Bomb in the Driveway&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Ignatius predicts that US counter-terrorism operations will be focused on the avoidance of domestic political jeopardy rather than serious results for a long time to come. The CIA is going into into self defense mode again, as once again democrats politicize Intelligence and threats of investigations and prosecutions are in the air. At the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/04/22/slow_roll_time_at_langley_96098.html">David Ignatius</a> predicts that US counter-terrorism operations will be focused on the avoidance of domestic political jeopardy rather than serious results for  a long time to come.  The <span class="caps">CIA</span> is going into into self defense mode again, as once again democrats politicize Intelligence and threats of investigations and prosecutions are in the air.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
At the Central Intelligence Agency, it&#8217;s known as &#8220;slow rolling.&#8221; That&#8217;s what agency officers sometimes do on politically sensitive assignments. They go through the motions; they pass cables back and forth; they take other jobs out of the danger zone; they cover their backsides.</p>

	<p>Sad to say, it&#8217;s slow roll time at Langley after the release of interrogation memos that, in the words of one veteran officer, &#8220;hit the agency like a car bomb in the driveway.&#8221; President Obama promised <span class="caps">CIA</span> officers that they won&#8217;t be prosecuted for carrying out lawful orders, but the people on the firing line don&#8217;t believe him. They think the memos have opened a new season of investigation and retribution.</p>

	<p>The lesson for younger officers is obvious: Keep your head down. Duck the assignments that carry political risk. Stay away from a counterterrorism program that has become a career hazard.</blockquote></p>



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		<title>CIA: Waterboarding KSM Saved LA</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still there CNS: After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with CIA interrogators. ... After he was subjected to the &#8220;waterboard&#8221; technique, KSM became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that [...]]]></description>
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<strong>Still there</strong></p>

	<p><a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46949"><span class="caps">CNS</span></a>:</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
After <span class="caps">KSM</span> was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with <span class="caps">CIA</span> interrogators. ...</p>

	<p>After he was subjected to the &#8220;waterboard&#8221; technique, <span class="caps">KSM</span> became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles.</blockquote></p>






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		<title>CIA Goes Only Formally Under the Bus</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barack Obama resisted the pressure of his party&#8217;s radical leftwing base for show trials of CIA counter-terrorism officers, and made a point of actually visiting the Agency&#8217;s Langley Headquarters to assure Agency employees that he intends to stop with public censure. No one is actually going to be indicted and prosecuted. New York Times: Don&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Barack Obama resisted the pressure of his party&#8217;s radical leftwing base for show trials of <span class="caps">CIA</span> counter-terrorism officers, and made a point of actually visiting the Agency&#8217;s Langley Headquarters to assure Agency employees that he intends to stop with public censure. No one is actually going to be indicted and prosecuted.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/us/politics/21intel.html?_r=1&#38;partner=rss&#38;emc=rss">New York Times</a>:</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
Don&#8217;t be discouraged by what&#8217;s happened in the last few weeks,&#8221; he told employees. &#8220;Don&#8217;t be discouraged that we have to acknowledge potentially we&#8217;ve made some mistakes. That&#8217;s how we learn. But the fact that we are willing to acknowledge them and then move forward, that is precisely why I am proud to be president of the United States and that&#8217;s why you should be proud to be members of the C.I.A.&#8221;</blockquote></p>

	<p>Of course, any <span class="caps">CIA</span> employees involved would be well advised to stay at home.  If they go abroad, they may be arrested and hauled before a leftwing war crimes tribunal in some place like Spain, where <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLH62645"> Baltasar Garzon</a> has already initiated prosecution of six former senior Bush Administration officials.</p>



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		<title>Let&#8217;s Look at the Rest of the Evidence</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interrogation tactics used on captured terrorists are hardly a suitable matter to be decided by millions of members of the general public in a partisan debate, but the left is never inhibited by either national security or common sense, and how US authorities dealt with 3 major Al Qaeda prisoners was turned into a weapon [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Interrogation tactics used on captured terrorists are hardly a suitable matter to be decided by millions of members of the general public in a partisan debate, but the left is never inhibited by either national security or common sense, and how US authorities dealt with 3 major Al Qaeda prisoners was turned into a weapon used to blacken the reputation of the Bush Administration and to undermine the legitimacy of American counter-terrorism operations long ago.</p>

	<p>Barack Obama is not content with having gained an underhanded election victory in significant part based upon demagoguery on that issue, he is still trying to score political points by attacking the previous administration for mildly coercive interrogation tactics applied only in three cases of major terrorist figures believed to possess particularly vital information.</p>

	<p>Dick Cheney is rightly calling Obama&#8217;s bluff.  If the democrats want to keep debating coercive interrogation of terrorists, let&#8217;s have a full debate. Put the rest of the story on the table. We&#8217;ve heard all about how unjustified and ineffective coercion is for several years now. Let&#8217;s look at exactly what was learned and what Al Qaeda attacks were prevented.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21487.html">The Politico</a>:</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
Researching his memoirs, former Vice President Dick Cheney is pushing the <span class="caps">CIA</span> to declassify files that he claims would vindicate the <span class="caps">CIA</span>&#8217;s use of coercive interrogation techniques that President Barack Obama has banned.</p>

	<p>The request, which the <span class="caps">CIA</span> has not yet answered, sets up a showdown between the past and current administrations. Cheney can be expected to argue that the Obama administration&#8217;s publication of other files last week is a precedent for release of the reports he wants. Cheney contends that the information he seeks does not pose a threat to anyone, nor to intelligence sources and methods.</p>

	<p>Cheney originally requested the reports in late March as he worked on his book, but now thinks the documents should be made public immediately as evidence that waterboarding and other controversial practices deterred terrorist attacks and therefore saved American lives.<br />
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		<title>Shocking Brutality (And with Caterpillars, Too!)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDZ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The New York Post reacts editorially to the terrible revelations contained in those memos the way any normal American would. If nothing else, President Obama&#8217;s decision to overrule his own intelligence officials and release Bush-era legal memos justifying what The New York Times sanctimoniously described as the CIA&#8217;s &#8220;brutal&#8221; interrogation techniques proves what a bunch [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/04202009/postopinion/editorials/tone_deaf_on_terror_165279.htm">New York Post</a> reacts editorially to the terrible revelations contained in those memos the way any normal American would.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
If nothing else, President Obama&#8217;s decision to overrule his own intelligence officials and release Bush-era legal memos justifying what The New York Times sanctimoniously described as the <span class="caps">CIA</span>&#8217;s &#8220;brutal&#8221; interrogation techniques proves what a bunch of pushovers we Americans are.</p>

	<p>Al Qaeda kidnaps Americans, tortures them, then decapitates them on TV.</p>

	<p>We deprive captives of sleep, push them into walls and put harmless caterpillars that we say are poisonous in their cells.</p>

	<p>Then we&#8217;re the ones who are condemned as the worst human-rights violators on the planet. </blockquote></p>


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