10 Jun 2009

Obama Citizenship Question Makes Local Florida Paper

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David Scrimshaw, writing in the Winterhaven (Florida) NewsChief (though mistaken about this intriguing question being new) identifies a key biographic detail demonstrating that, yes, Virginia, there are unanswered questions about Barack Obama’s native born citizenship.

Despite the inclination of establishment media to dismiss issues of Obama’s citizenship status, questions continue to surface in wider circles of American society.

We’ve all seen the e-mails about Barack Obama’s citizenship. This is a new twist we hadn’t known. Interesting. More questions. And this time some good questions.

It can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did you use when you were shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi?

So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta and Karachi ,what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.

It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

A: Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under

A: There are only three possibilities. 1. He traveled with a U.S. passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981?

A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no-travel” list in 1981.

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981, he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he was traveling with a British passport, that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on Aug. 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport, that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian stepfather in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” U.S. citizen between 1981 and 2008.

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David Gatch

He’s a fraud!



smr

Re: “Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981?

A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no-travel” list in 1981.”

Total baloney. All made up. Pakistan was not on the US State Department’s no travel list. Pakistan was relatively peaceful in 1981, and it encouraged tourists to visit. It even had flights by Pakistan International Airlines from New York to Karachi.

So Obama could have traveled on a US passport, as anyone could. Pakistan never kept US citizens out. It granted them 30-day visas on arrival.

AND Obama did travel on a US passport because he never had an Indonesian passport or a British passport. Just call up the embassies of the two countries and ask.



Prove it. « Truth, Lies and In Between

[…] Obama Citizenship Question Makes Local Florida Paper David Scrimshaw, writing in the Winterhaven (Florida) NewsChief (though mistaken about this intriguing question being new) identifies a key biographic detail demonstrating that, yes, Virginia, there are unanswered questions about Barack Obama’s native born citizenship. […]



bb

Did you know all phone masts are evil!!!



JAI

By withholding his original documents, Obama himself offers the most condemning evidence that he does not meet Constitutional requirements for President.

At last a U.S. newspaper not controlled by terrorist petro dollars willing to fulfill the role of guardian of the truth.

GO NEWSCHIEF!



smr

Re: “By withholding his original documents, Obama himself offers the most condemning evidence that he does not meet Constitutional requirements for President.”

Obama has not withheld the original documents. He. like many people, lost the original. So he asked Hawaii for a replacement. Hawaii sent him the Certification of Live Birth. It has said repeatedly that ALL that it sends out to everyone who asks for their birth certificate is the Certification of Live Birth.

http://www.starbulletin.com/features/20090606_kokua_line.html

Which is confirmed by this article, by a Hawaiian journalist and blogger who obviously does not like Obama:

A posting from Andrew Walden, publisher of the Hawaii Free Press, a right-wing blog based in Hawaii.

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/92/Barack-Obama-Born-in-Hawaii.aspx

Barack Obama: Born in Hawai`i
by Andrew Walden
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It is time to focus on REAL issues, not imaginary ones.

A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense, which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama’s upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama’s numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawai`i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.

Obama’s birth certificate posted online is exactly the same birth certificate everybody in Hawai`i gets from the State Department of Health. It is not forged. There is nothing unusual about the design or the texture. In addition to the birth certificate, the August 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser also carries an announcement of Obama’s birth. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin also carries the same announcement. Both papers require submission of a copy of the birth certificate to print a birth announcement.

End Quote

Stress: “exactly the same birth certificate everybody in Hawai`i gets from the State Department of Health.’

Also, since Hawaii sends out only the Certification to people who ask for their birth certificate it has all the legal weight of an official birth certificate, and as you can see fro the first article Hawaii does consider the Certification to be its official birth certificate. It is accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by all the departments in Hawaii (Yes including DHHL, I checked), and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the US military.



JDZ

Obama has spent close to a million dollars on litigation resisting releasing more informative birth records than the certificate of live birth which provides no place of birth. It seems logical to wonder why.

There seems to have been a newspaper announcement, though, supporting his birth in Hawaii. So I lean toward believing that he was born in the USA, but remain puzzled as to his reluctance to release more evidence.

On the other hand, it seems highly probable that Obama has claimed other citizenship in the past. He was listed as an Indonesian citizen as a child, when living with Mr. Soetero, his mother’s second spouse. He may have claimed to be British on the basis of his father’s Kenyan birth. What if Obama renounced US citizenship in his youth, and never took any formal steps to recover it? Would it not have been an election issue had it been disclosed that the candidate of a major party had lived and traveled using a non-US passport?



Richard Moore

Anything done in the dark will eventually be shown up in the light. We will know the truth, and the truth will set us free. Eventually the truth about this Obamanation will be revealed somehow, when it’s God’s time, he will be exposed, and we will have a Constitutional crisis; all he has done and signed off on will be null and void; executive orders, legislation, etc. And anarchy will follow in our cities across the nation. He is evil, very possibly supported by a “one world government” group backing him, is not an American, and doesn’t care about this great Nation. If he did, he would follow the Constitutional approach and support what we really stand for and who we are. We are in sad shape until God says enough is enough. Then, beware Hussein Obama. God will not be mocked for long.



Judy

In the 2008 presidential campaign Obama said he traveled to Pakistan as a college student in the early 80s. According to his campaign staff he visited Pakistan in 1981, on the way back from visiting his mother and half-sister in Indonesia, staying at a friend’s family in Karachi for about 3 weeks. [1,2]

The claim that a U.S. passport could not have been used when traveling to Pakistan in 1981, however, is false.

Per a U.S. State Department travel advisory to Pakistan dated August 17, 1981:

Before traveling to Pakistan, American citizens should be aware of the following updated visa requirements: 30 day visas are available at Pakistani airports for tourists only. As these visas are rarely extended beyond the 30 day time period, tourists planning to stay longer should secure visas before coming to Pakistan. [3]
A June 14, 1981 New York Times article moreover states that travel to Pakistan in 1981 using a U.S. passport was not only possible but relatively easy:

Lahore, the capital of Pakistan’s Punjab province, has an international airport served by Pakistan International Airlines and (from New Delhi) by Indian Airlines, India’s domestic carrier. Connections with other international airlines can be made through Karachi…

Tourists can obtain a free, 30-day visa (necessary for Americans) at border crossings and airports



Nina Van Sweden

The question concerning the passport does NOT relate to a trip to Pakistan, it relates to the trip to Indonesia. At that time he count not have traveled to Indonesia on a U.S. Passport.



ron wood

lLet it rest – you have a great president. If you don want him send him to Britain.Be proud to have him instead of the money grabbing bandits we have at the moment.
And what’s wrong with some kind of National Health service? Life? Liberty? The pursuit of happiness?You cant have any of these without your health!



GS

The amount of inaccuracies (lies?) floating around purporting to prove that Obama is not qualified to be President is astounding. Do the research, folks. Don’t rely on the hearsay “evidence” of people who are either ignorant of the laws/facts or are so bigoted that they will lie to obtain their goals.

Now, if/when someone has hard evidence that Obama is not a US citizen, then I’ll listen—-likely, as will the courts. But show the documentation and provide the factual references. So far all the documentation and factual references I’ve seen support Obama’s right to be President. (I guess that must be the same reasoning the courts have used to not allow challenges to move forward.)



Mark Nelson

The fact is the Kenyan ambassador stated in a radio interview in Detroit that it was a well known fact that Obama was born in Kenya and that several of Obama’s relatives made the same claims too. Why has he not been able to produce the original birth certificate he was issued in Hawaii? At last count I believe there was copies of two different birth certificate from two different hospitals.



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