08 Sep 2009

No Pocket Knives For British Boy Scouts

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This is a bit older, slightly nicer version of the Boy Scout Knife I used to carry back during the Consulate of Plancus.

You see how these things work?

There’s a little accident, and first they come and take away your cannon. Next, before long, they won’t even let Boy Scouts carry pocket knives. The utter and complete emasculation of society is a slippery slope process.

Telegraph:

New advice published in Scouting, the official in-house magazine, says neither Scouts nor their parents should bring penknives to camp except in “specific” situations.

Scouts have traditionally been taught how to use knives correctly, using them on camping trips to cut firewood or carve tools.

At one point Scouts were allowed to carry a sheath knife on their belt as part of their uniform although this is no longer the case. In recent years the Scout Association guidance has been that parents should carry knives to camps or meetings.

Dave Budd, a knife-maker who runs courses training Scouts about the safe use of blades, wrote that the growing problem of knife crime meant action had to be taken.

“Sadly, there is now confusion about when a Scout is allowed to carry a knife,” he wrote. “The series of high-profile fatal stabbings [has] highlighted a growing knife culture in the UK.

“I think it is safest to assume that knives of any sort should not be carried by anybody to a Scout meeting or camp, unless there is likely to be a specific need for one. In that case, they should be kept by the Scout leaders and handed out as required.”

Hat tip to Karen L. Myers.


Even farther back, before WWII, there used to be an official Boy Scout sheath knife. It seems to have been an adaptation by a different company (Ka-Bar? Camillus?) of the old Webster Marble Woodcraft pattern.

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British Scouting Commissioner says story is unfair, Update 9/9:


Wayne Bulpitt
, UK Chief Commissioner, says the Daily Mail’s Sunday edition used “a few selective statements and quotes some out of context.”

There’s no story here, Bulpitt claims. Why! We’ve been discouraging scouts from carrying pen-knives for years.

A Mail on Sunday journalist approached us on Friday having read the latest guidance we issued in Scouting Magazine/online in December 08 and April 09 on advising Scouts on the situations in which they can use a knife as part of normal Scout Activities. He was looking to make the story into “Scouts Ban knives shocker”. The media team took them through the facts and sent them links to our various documents and magazine articles giving him the following info,

– The Rules changed about wearing knives with uniform in 1968
– We have issued regular guidance to the Movement on this matter ever since 1968 e.g. early 1980’s , 1996, 2008 and 2009 (the latest being the magazine article in April/May)
– We need to support leaders with information to help them support young people

Despite making these facts available the Mail on Sunday published the piece, They used a few selective statements and quotes some out of context..

A number of newspapers this morning (Times, Telegraph, Express, Mirror, Sun) have taken the text from the Mail on Sunday (without talking to us) and have run with the story.

I’m not especially moved by Mr. Bulpitt’s complaints personally, but I thought he was entitled to a place on the record.

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13 Feedbacks on "No Pocket Knives For British Boy Scouts"

Nobody

I suppose it’s time to change the Boy Scout motto from “Be Prepared” to “Be Cautious.”



rgh

Knife maker Dave Budd accepts the premise that since knife crime is up, keep them away from those boy scouts. Same reasoning behind banning guns… Now only the English crooks have knives…. next to their .38 snub nose..



Lazarus Long

The poor Brits have turned into old women.



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David

Looks like the Brits are dropping the ball just like they did with gun control, now only the criminals have guns and that is sooooo sad.



blaze

I hve a nike juste like the second one I got frome the gabege whut shoude I do



blaze

nife not nike



blaze

I got a nife juste like the second one on thes pag whut shoud I do got it form garbeg I am only 13 help



TAHAWK

The pocket knife is from the 1950″s – the early part of Plancus’ reign. I so admired Plancus – the “Steel Consul.”

Fixed-blade sheath knives were sold bu B.S.A. until 1981 and non-sheath fixed-blades are sold today. The example shown is by Western Cutlery and sold more than all other BSA sheath knives combined.



Bob Band American Eagle Scout

As a former Eagle Scout who has camped all over American soil and never had or saw a problem, it is my opinion that Scouting is about teaching Bush skills and trust to young men.



Disappointed Knife Maker

Sad state to see the words in a boy scout post. ā€œI think it is safest to assume that knives of any sort should not be carried by anybody to a Scout meeting or camp, unless there is likely to be a specific need for one. In that case, they should be kept by the Scout leaders and handed out as required.ā€

Keeping the “scary knives” away from those who should be learning to use them is a mistake. So many people who dont learn how to use and carry a knife properly at a young age grow up to be those who injure themselves on the knives as they grow up because they havent a clue how to use them correctly then blame the knife as dangerous when it was their idiocy that caused the danger to them.

UK has some of the highest knife crimes around so clearly banning them hasnt worked, get knives back in the hands of the youth and show them how to be responsible with them. Better training with an item rapidly decreases injury with that item.



Disappointed Knife Maker

That quoted excerpt seems to show how paranoid British are about knife carry. They make it sound like if someone has a knife they become possessed by murderous rage and are compelled to stab the person next to them at a scout meeting.. I was in the scouts as a kid and we never had any knife misuse issues or violent acts from those attending with knives on their belts or pockets.



Jackson

To me this is just crazy, here in the US everyone 8n my scout troop has at least.1 knife in fact most of us have multiple.In fact I bought 1 of my knives from a boy scout summer camp.



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